tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post1985817516583264164..comments2024-03-28T10:08:06.291-05:00Comments on Give2Attain: RAS Testing Myths Forum UpdateJohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-52505650504103853682009-04-02T16:57:00.000-05:002009-04-02T16:57:00.000-05:00Hi Sue,I agree there was nothing sinister and I am...Hi Sue,<BR/>I agree there was nothing sinister and I am being particular.. (ie man, engineer, 6Sigma convert, nerd, geek, etc)<BR/><BR/>The std distribution graphic seemed to confuse the most people. They should have had the current and planned distributions both shown, then explained the difficulties involved in increasing the school's/student's capabilities while dealing with relatively flat resources. <BR/><BR/>Showing that the legislators set the threshold to fail 70% of 11th graders was not clear or fair. It implies that the school/student performance will not improve. Which I think was the point of the targets......<BR/><BR/>Hi LayLo,<BR/>I am pro NCLB and AYP, however ESL and Special Need students need to be handled outside the metrics.Also, the improvement curve is likely too steep. With the current rules, almost all schools will fail AYP in a few years.<BR/><BR/>I am just hoping Obama does not throw out the baby(NCLB/AYP) with the bathwater.... It needs refinement, not an overhaul.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-39091391215537102602009-04-02T15:50:00.000-05:002009-04-02T15:50:00.000-05:00I wasn't at the meeting and just found your site -...I wasn't at the meeting and just found your site - Nice.<BR/><BR/>I don't understand how these folks can continue deflecting their responsibilities. They are providing a product/service. As anyone knows, you need to define metrics to measure a product/service to be able to make any meaningful comparisons between other similar products/services.<BR/><BR/>NCLB is as good a measure as any and plenty of other schools have been successful under their criteria. <BR/><BR/>RAS needs to be vs. another.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08908006934060485432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-57398145968313001812009-04-02T12:26:00.000-05:002009-04-02T12:26:00.000-05:00I was at the meeting also and I agree with much of...I was at the meeting also and I agree with much of what you said. I do think it was good for the speakers to point out some of the flaws in the methods of determining adequate yearly progress because these standards tend to make some RAS schools look worse than they really are. I would have liked even more information (like what are the consequences for schools that never make their AYP requirements).<BR/>And I thought the graphs were fine and not misleading. Don't be so picky.Suenoreply@blogger.com