tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post4969989275642567085..comments2024-03-29T06:41:16.038-05:00Comments on Give2Attain: MN 1 Billion Dollar Projected SurplusJohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-79523186818728509422014-12-11T14:06:17.902-06:002014-12-11T14:06:17.902-06:00"Okay if 40% of SD's spend is from the FE..."Okay if 40% of SD's spend is from the FEDs, and SD gets 1.16 for every dollar.<br /><br />That means that SD would need to cut spending or raise taxes to make up ~6.4%"<br /><br />Re-read what I said. Federal spending is equivalent to 40% of the state budget. Meaning that the 40% is on top of the state budget, not part of it.Seanhttp://brickcityblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-48669260294025808402014-12-11T13:59:15.214-06:002014-12-11T13:59:15.214-06:00Okay if 40% of SD's spend is from the FEDs, an...Okay if 40% of SD's spend is from the FEDs, and SD gets 1.16 for every dollar.<br /><br />That means that SD would need to cut spending or raise taxes to make up ~6.4%<br /><br />Since the largest portion of the spend goes to <a href="http://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2014/05/16/south-dakota-ranks-high-federal-financial-support/9185689/" rel="nofollow">medicaid, developmental services, etc</a>, again I say most of the population would see no difference.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-61521159396488007372014-12-11T13:40:02.882-06:002014-12-11T13:40:02.882-06:00"Only 16%?" Would you object to your tax..."Only 16%?" Would you object to your taxes being raised 16%?Seanhttp://brickcityblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-68852637652534931842014-12-11T13:25:56.264-06:002014-12-11T13:25:56.264-06:00However they would only lose ~16% of that...
&quo...However they would only lose ~16% of that...<br /><br />"For every federal tax dollar they pay in, SD gets $1.16 back." SeanJohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-23419534732267376452014-12-11T09:16:31.618-06:002014-12-11T09:16:31.618-06:00"If you turned off the spigot for SD, most pe..."If you turned off the spigot for SD, most people in the state likely would not notice."<br /><br />Unlikely. The federal government spends the equivalent of 41% of the state budget and employs about 10% of the folks in the state.Seanhttp://brickcityblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-21787664206299153852014-12-11T07:56:54.634-06:002014-12-11T07:56:54.634-06:00"set of issues that goes way beyond the role ..."set of issues that goes way beyond the role of government."<br /><br />Please explainJohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-61087963962804090282014-12-11T07:56:10.759-06:002014-12-11T07:56:10.759-06:00Hiram,
I agree that wealth is transferring all the...Hiram,<br />I agree that wealth is transferring all the time. However most of it transfers because people freely choose to spend their personal property as they choose, not as the collective/ society/ government chooses.<br /><br />The Walmart family is wealthy because people of their own free will go to those stores and buy product. Bill Gates is wealthy because people of their own free will go to those stores and buy MS product.<br /><br />Domestic manufacturers have been weakened and foreign manufactures strengthened because people of their own free will chose to buy product that was not developed / manufactured in the USA. Thus transferring wealth from this country to others.<br /><br />Would you support laws that mandated that one must shop at Walmart or must only buy US products?Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-41927714441016577962014-12-11T06:14:10.567-06:002014-12-11T06:14:10.567-06:00Worse yet, ACA just upped the ante and created eve...Worse yet, ACA just upped the ante and created even more wealth transfer. (ie charity)<br /><br />Wealth is transferring all the time. You don't hear a lot of complaints from rich folk when the wealth is being redistributed to them.<br /><br />--HiramAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-4109879198916271192014-12-11T06:12:34.395-06:002014-12-11T06:12:34.395-06:00"The collective (ie society/ government) is n..."The collective (ie society/ government) is now deciding how much you will save, what insurance you must buy, what you will invest it in, what benefits the insurance must provide, how much you will give to "charity", what "charities" you will give to, which weapons we can own, etc, etc, etc."<br /><br />Oh sure, but this is nothing new, and is a set of issues that goes way beyond the role of government.<br /><br />--Hiram Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-23259334669808556522014-12-11T00:26:20.558-06:002014-12-11T00:26:20.558-06:00Regarding guns, since I only own 2 shotguns... I ...Regarding guns, since I only own 2 shotguns... I personally have not had a problem yet.<br /><br />However if I ever want to buy an automatic weapon, I could not.<br /><br />If I want to buy large clips in some parts of the country, I can not.<br /><br />It is just one example of many where the Liberal crowd is working to take away freedoms from American citizens. The irony of course is that the Liberals constantly accuse the Conservatives of trying to do the same thing. <a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rU8AQJLjbWk/VB7IdkQSIbI/AAAAAAAAAbs/KASxFF8jVeg/s1600/Nolan2.jpg" rel="nofollow">Diagram</a>Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-35443797166304656102014-12-11T00:17:44.133-06:002014-12-11T00:17:44.133-06:00Laurie,
I think you know the answer, however I wil...Laurie,<br />I think you know the answer, however I will respond any way.<br /><br />The government collects a HUGE amount of money through taxes that is then given to help the poor, unfortunate, some slackers and some fraudulent parties.<br /><br />This was a function that was fulfilled historically when generous citizens made a choice to give money and/or time to a charity of their choice. Now the government collects and redistributes it, while charging a very large management and distribution fee. (ie there are a lot of mouths to feed in that bureaucracy)<br /><br />Now Liberals may say that wealth redistribution is a legitimate function of government. However somehow we made do for ~150 yrs of this country's history with significantly less of it than we have today.<br /><br />Worse yet, ACA just upped the ante and created even more wealth transfer. (ie charity)<br /><br />And the Liberals seem to see that even more is needed. (ie single payer healthcare, eliminating the payroll tax cap, more higher ed scholarships, etc)<br /><br />I am very curious if there is any upper limit to how much personal choice the Liberals want to turn over to the collective?<br />Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-85700958879977541822014-12-10T21:23:45.830-06:002014-12-10T21:23:45.830-06:00I am curious about what charity you have been forc...I am curious about what charity you have been forced to give to and which weapon purchase you were not allowed to make.Lauriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04780590153257411142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-63783356195360772942014-12-10T16:42:21.554-06:002014-12-10T16:42:21.554-06:00"it's simply doing more."
On this l..."it's simply doing more."<br /><br />On this last statement we agree.<br /><br />The collective (ie society/ government) is now deciding how much you will save, what insurance you must buy, what you will invest it in, what benefits the insurance must provide, how much you will give to "charity", what "charities" you will give to, which weapons we can own, etc, etc, etc.<br /><br />Which of course leaves us individual citizens with <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZEJ4OJTgg8" rel="nofollow">less freedom of choice</a>...Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-41297188961642436212014-12-10T16:31:39.214-06:002014-12-10T16:31:39.214-06:00Sean,
If you turned off the spigot for SD, most pe...Sean,<br />If you turned off the spigot for SD, most people in the state likely would not notice. Of course those individuals who did not save adequately, didn't take advantage of the free public education to become academically capable, and those who do not want to work hard may find it uncomfortable. On the upside they can then move to MN and take advantage of our tender hearts and wallets, or they can become more motivated to improve their situation.<br /><br />Without the Fed financial extortion, I am assuming SD would then be free to change the legal drinking age back down to 18 or 19. That should raise some more tax dollars and it would be trusting legal adult citizens enough to buy a beer. Instead of having the Federal government determine "what's proper" and "protect" us citizens.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-40090521366164032102014-12-10T15:21:20.272-06:002014-12-10T15:21:20.272-06:00At year 20, is your home costing you a larger port...At year 20, is your home costing you a larger portion of your take home pay than it initially did?<br /><br />Yes. Does that mean the home is bigger?<br /><br />"Do you think you can continue this pattern indefinitely without getting in trouble?"<br /><br />Depends on what the take home pay is, I suppose. In this situation in real life, lots of people scale down their housing.<br /><br />"do you have less money available to spend on food, hobbies, vehicles, trips, etc?"<br /><br />That depends on how much take home pay is. And why exactly did housing costs increase? Did someone buy a vacation home?<br /><br />In any event, these hypotheticals seem pretty remote from what we are talking about here. The problem we are facing is clear enough. The population is getting older, and that means in some ways it's more expensive to maintain, at the same time it's becoming less productive. It' not really a size of government issue because government, as even conservatives acknowledge is simply a conduit for wealth transfer. It isn't getting bigger, it's simply doing more.<br /><br />--HiramAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-18018040381555623082014-12-10T14:41:32.791-06:002014-12-10T14:41:32.791-06:00"So it seems kind of odd when Liberals accuse..."So it seems kind of odd when Liberals accuse Red states of getting more Federal dollars. Since they set up the system to ensure it occurred."<br /><br />It's not "accusing", it's stating a fact. And I don't have a problem with it. What I have a problem with is lazy conservative thinking that ignores that federal support and cites such states as low-tax paradises. <br /><br />If the feds turned off the spigot tomorrow, these states would be in a world of hurt.Seanhttp://brickcityblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-83672826461058411142014-12-10T14:40:17.383-06:002014-12-10T14:40:17.383-06:00Hiram,
I realize you are just being difficult, how...Hiram,<br />I realize you are just being difficult, however here is a question for you.<br /><br />If the amount you pay for housing and utilities was initially 20% of your take home pay. Then you make some changes over 10 years and it is then 30%. And 10 years later it is 40%.<br /><br />At year 20, is your home costing you a larger portion of your take home pay than it initially did?<br /><br />Do you think you can continue this pattern indefinitely without getting in trouble?<br /><br />As the housing costs increase as a percentage of your take home pay, do you have less money available to spend on food, hobbies, vehicles, trips, etc? Are your choices also more constrained due to fewer available funds?Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-65433969669076956562014-12-10T14:28:19.013-06:002014-12-10T14:28:19.013-06:00I wouldn't say $1.16 is "highly dependent...I wouldn't say $1.16 is "highly dependent". <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/" rel="nofollow">Atlantic: Dependency</a><br /><br />Besides, remember why some states receive more and some less. The Liberal folk decided that the whole country needed to conform to their view of what was "fair".<br /><br />Therefore they moved a bunch of programs from the State's responsibility to the Fed's. Us Conservatives would prefer that these had stayed at the State level.<br /><br />So it seems kind of odd when Liberals accuse Red states of getting more Federal dollars. Since they set up the system to ensure it occurred.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-31774016315107215562014-12-10T14:16:07.275-06:002014-12-10T14:16:07.275-06:00The great advantage South Dakota has over Minnesot...The great advantage South Dakota has over Minnesota in business terms is it's proximity to Minnesota.<br /><br />--HiramAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-63586102908206235702014-12-10T14:14:06.234-06:002014-12-10T14:14:06.234-06:00I believe that is why we do this based on an annua...I believe that is why we do this based on an annual basis and look at trends rather than at any half hour in time.<br /><br />So it's not product that determines size of a business, it's the trend of product. There is a trend that businesses sell less in the first quarter of the year. Do they get smaller then? What's the product that government produces against which this trend analysis can be applied? Congress enacts fewer laws than they used to. Does that mean it's getting smaller?<br /><br />--HiramAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-57931291038914961102014-12-10T13:19:34.562-06:002014-12-10T13:19:34.562-06:00So your basis for saying SD is better is because t...So your basis for saying SD is better is because they spend less on welfare? <br /><br />SD is in part able to have lower state and local taxes because they are highly dependent on the federal government. For every federal tax dollar they pay in, SD gets $1.16 back. Seanhttp://brickcityblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-71714037568003267432014-12-10T13:01:36.281-06:002014-12-10T13:01:36.281-06:00I believe that is why we do this based on an annua...I believe that is why we do this based on an annual basis and look at trends rather than at any half hour in time.<br /><br />However to your point, one would expect the percentage to increase during a recession. Then it should fall again during the recovery.<br /><br />Seeing it continuously creeping up over decades is what is troubling.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-63746862214837406422014-12-10T12:56:29.253-06:002014-12-10T12:56:29.253-06:00OECD Better Life Index
OECD USA Comparison<a href="http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/united-states/" rel="nofollow">OECD Better Life Index</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.oecd.org/regional/how-is-life-in-your-region.htm" rel="nofollow">OECD USA Comparison</a>Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-17144955623151272332014-12-10T12:55:51.100-06:002014-12-10T12:55:51.100-06:00Product in this case refers to the amount of value...Product in this case refers to the amount of value created.<br /><br />Is the size of a business determined by the amount of product it produces at any given moment? Do they get smaller during the lunch hour?<br /><br />--HiramAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-54084407036529750292014-12-10T12:38:36.096-06:002014-12-10T12:38:36.096-06:00Regarding income. Many things also cost less in S...Regarding income. Many things also cost less in SD. <br /><br />And yes smaller cities and schools don't always have the extensive choice in classes. That was the same for Canby MN. I had a lower ACT score than my daughter did, however I still got into a good college and have had an excellent career. <br /><br />Regarding the OECD measures, I think they are slightly biased to rate Liberal (welfare countries) higher. SD does have less money going to welfare and funding the non-motivated citizens than MN. That is a basic pillar of Conservative belief.<br /><br />Besides being number 2 and 12 are both pretty excellent.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.com