tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post5080678121492114095..comments2024-03-18T21:05:49.012-05:00Comments on Give2Attain: MN Teacher LIFO is Gone: Thank HeavensJohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-70366983762319390702017-06-17T16:19:45.712-05:002017-06-17T16:19:45.712-05:00Interesting question Sean. My answer would be tha...Interesting question Sean. My answer would be that tenure protects the incompetent but highly paid teacher, thus making more union dues available while not caring a whit about the kids. It's a union, not a "professional organization" dedicated to standards and best practices. jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-30572779179418372802017-06-13T13:40:23.691-05:002017-06-13T13:40:23.691-05:00Have you ever considered why teachers' unions ...Have you ever considered why teachers' unions (which are made up of and run by teachers) feel that tenure is important? Is it merely some sort of malevolent conspiracy designed to screw the taxpayer? Or do teachers have concerns which tenure addresses? Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-29204998731584299312017-06-13T13:19:29.375-05:002017-06-13T13:19:29.375-05:00My response to Ray's comment on MP...
"I ...My response to Ray's comment on MP...<br />"I call tenure, steps/lanes, LIFO, etc the silver hand cuffs... And ironically they were forged by the Teacher's Union and put on voluntarily by most Teachers.<br /><br />The Teacher's willingness to be judged by years in district and degree level to be put in a little box on the steps/lanes table amazes me. And all to ensure they get consistent raises, higher job security and higher than justified wages later in their career.<br /><br />And to get these benefits they had to give up the freedom to be measured as individuals, and to change positions whenever they got tired of their job, school, school district, etc.<br /><br />See, sane businesses evaluate each potential employee based on their personal qualifications and what people in the market are paying for certain positions. And if the person has the correct qualifications and experience, the company pays the correct amount. And then they terminate employment if things don't work out.<br /><br />And sane employs evaluates each company and position based on the reputation of the company, the interview with a potential supervisor, compensation offered, position offered, etc. And then they move to another job if it does not work out.<br /><br />It is insane that our schools classify employees by seniority and degrees to figure out how qualified and productive they are and how much to pay them. Imagine if you needed to have your shingles replaced and the guild representative insisted that you need to pay the one roofing crew twice as much because the employees were older... Not because they were better, faster, had better customer reviews, etc. It makes NO Sense... :-)" G2AJohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-79129801791314818612017-06-13T12:23:04.525-05:002017-06-13T12:23:04.525-05:00Maybe, but why would they? Do you think the admin ...Maybe, but why would they? Do you think the admin wants their school to fail.<br /><br />And yes. Thankfully.<br />Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-80102727055190143002017-06-13T12:16:23.341-05:002017-06-13T12:16:23.341-05:00Well, yes, in that we can fire the more senior, hi...Well, yes, in that we can fire the more senior, higher paid teachers who are not performing<br /><br />Can they fire highly paid teachers who are performing? Or teachers who are performing in ways they don't like?<br /><br />--HiramAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-23080015536797969732017-06-13T11:44:49.661-05:002017-06-13T11:44:49.661-05:00Well, yes, in that we can fire the more senior, hi...Well, yes, in that we can fire the more senior, higher paid teachers who are not performing. We can also fire the younger, lower paid teachers who are not performing. But again, performance pay solves the problem without "firing" or laying off anybody. Somebody who never gets a raise (because of poor performance) is going to steadily lose ground to inflation, and will also feel unappreciated, so they will eventually move themselves out of that position for, we assume, something they are better suited to do. jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-64565831772391392842017-06-13T09:36:44.021-05:002017-06-13T09:36:44.021-05:00The answer is yes, and thank heavens.
The idea th...The answer is yes, and thank heavens.<br /><br />The idea that teachers should be paid more and have higher job security just because they are older is terrible for the kids.<br /><br />Let's start tying wages to the challenge of the position and the performance of the employee.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-43056248807286634982017-06-13T09:10:23.728-05:002017-06-13T09:10:23.728-05:00I take that as a yes.
--HiramI take that as a yes.<br /><br />--HiramAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-49747737700827317212017-06-13T07:46:01.911-05:002017-06-13T07:46:01.911-05:00I think any school that does not have a performanc...I think any school that does not have a performance evaluation system is going to fall back on less effective ways to improve quality. Now if we could add performance pay based on those evaluations, there wouldn't be a need for a hierarchy of layoffs. Those performing well get raises and those that perform poorly never get a raise and gradually lay themselves off. jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-2010803845993627822017-06-13T07:31:39.373-05:002017-06-13T07:31:39.373-05:00Does that mean we can fire the senior more highly ...Does that mean we can fire the senior more highly paid teachers?<br /><br />==HiramAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com