tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post5677488185216962777..comments2024-03-28T10:08:06.291-05:00Comments on Give2Attain: Trump has Smaller Crowd: Throws TantrumJohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-23465101562013943792017-01-25T10:33:53.691-06:002017-01-25T10:33:53.691-06:00Surprising that even Will Rogers, a Democrat, saw ...Surprising that even Will Rogers, a Democrat, saw a qualitative difference between the two. <br /><br />The politics of the 1930's were quite different. Bear in mind that there has been a complete realignment of the parties in the last 80 years.<br /><br />The Democratic Party of Rogers' era was a coalition between southern racists, and northern labor. Roosevelt, interestingly enough to me, had his base of support in the south and west. New York, the state of which he was the governor, was still supporting Al Smith. Roosevelt had the support of the drys, folks supporting Prohibition, odd enough in retrospect since we know FDR was a man who enjoyed his martinis.<br /><br />--Hiram<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-58016558829482316432017-01-25T09:54:44.380-06:002017-01-25T09:54:44.380-06:00Surprising that even Will Rogers, a Democrat, saw ...Surprising that even Will Rogers, a Democrat, saw a qualitative difference between the two. Perhaps small, but we have to work with what we can get.jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-55507890224262365742017-01-24T17:59:16.023-06:002017-01-24T17:59:16.023-06:00The last 2 quotes are my favorites lately... :-)The last 2 quotes are my favorites lately... :-)Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-44425253491101819022017-01-24T17:08:57.121-06:002017-01-24T17:08:57.121-06:00Let's consider words of wisdom from that great...Let's consider words of wisdom from that great Democrat Will Rogers:<br /><br /> "Congress is so strange; a man gets up to speak and says nothing, nobody listens, and then everybody disagrees."<br /><br /> "We all joke about Congress, but we can't improve on them. Have you noticed that no matter who we elect, he is just as bad as the one he replaces?"<br /><br /> "When Congress makes a joke it's a law, and when they make a law, it's a joke." <br /><br /> "We cuss Congress, and we joke about 'em, but they are all good fellows at heart, and if they wasn't in Congress, why, they would be doing something else against us that might be even worse."<br /><br /> "Never blame a legislative body for not doing something. When they do nothing, they don't hurt anybody. When they do something is when they become dangerous." <br /><br /> "About all I can say for the United States Senate is that it opens with a prayer and closes with an investigation."<br /><br /> "Senators are a never-ending source of amusement, amazement and discouragement."<br /><br /> "The Senate just sits and waits till they find out what the president wants, so they know how to vote against him." <br /><br />I'm amazed that Rogers could describe Sen. Harry Reid some 70 years before Reid became Senate majority leader. Reid truly is a fellow who is "not as narrow-minded as he forces himself to be."<br /><br /> "It's getting so if a man wants to stand well socially, he can't afford to be seen with either the Democrats or the Republicans."<br /><br /> "There is something about a Republican that you can only stand him just so long; and on the other hand, there is something about a Democrat that you can't stand him quite that long." jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-27082831915557416032017-01-24T17:05:35.578-06:002017-01-24T17:05:35.578-06:00The problem with your constant "both sides do...The problem with your constant "both sides do it" argument is that it gets us nowhere. If we can successful boil something down to a right way and a wrong way, then one side or the other must be closer to the right and the other side closer to the wrong. <br /><br />Many of these debates eventually boil down to ad hominem attacks from the left-- that I am wrong because of who I am. If I am Republican or Conservative or cis-gender (whatever that is) I must be wrong by definition. My retort lately has been, "Suppose I am all that you say. Does that make me wrong on the issue?" Does reality and real solutions to real problems for real people actually need to be considered in the debate?jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-48705249010726486712017-01-24T13:56:31.495-06:002017-01-24T13:56:31.495-06:00Jerry,
I think there are plenty people on both sid...Jerry,<br />I think there are plenty people on both sides who talk better than they listen. :-)Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-18691792008923019232017-01-24T13:53:42.843-06:002017-01-24T13:53:42.843-06:00One good thing about being a blogger... I get to ...One good thing about being a blogger... I get to learn about all these interesting terms.<br /><br /><a href="http://theweek.com/articles/601420/left-vs-realitybased-community" rel="nofollow">The Week RBC and Sanders</a><br /><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-milton-mankoff/the-reality-based-community-and-trumps_b_13351438.html" rel="nofollow">HP RBC vs Trump</a><br />Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-83433638036435409922017-01-24T12:25:37.207-06:002017-01-24T12:25:37.207-06:00Oh, yes...the reality based community.
That is th...Oh, yes...the reality based community.<br /><br />That is the funniest thing the fever swamp ever came up with. Never fails to make me smile.<br /><br />~ FRedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-70330801286842441262017-01-24T08:59:45.523-06:002017-01-24T08:59:45.523-06:00"It's not that we elites, aren't conc..."It's not that we elites, aren't concerned the needs of all Americans, rather it's that we condescend to them." -- Hiram<br /><br />Hiram, that's brilliant, but I am surprised you put yourself in that class. You seem a reasonably sensible bloke to me. <br /><br />"Running away from them and calling people who are concerned about them stupid is why the Democratic party is struggling right now..." -- John<br /><br />John, I would characterize it a different way. They aren't running away from the issues, but rather the "solutions" they themselves have created for these problems. Calling other people stupid for actually wanting to solve the problems rather than continuing Democrat failures is defensive politically, and indefensible rationally. If their defensiveness seems excessive, consider that their scam has just been exposed, and they have a great (and very reasonable) fear that Trump may just succeed where they have failed. Imagine what would happen to the Democrat Party if Trump succeeded even marginally at making life "better" in the urban cores?jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-58204459911746563282017-01-24T08:50:21.328-06:002017-01-24T08:50:21.328-06:00Hiram,
I agree that Trump lies often and stupidly....Hiram,<br />I agree that Trump lies often and stupidly... According to NPR this morning, he is back to saying that he would have won the popular vote if those 3 Million illegals had not voted. He definitely has some serious "let it go" problems.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-52653304536556900872017-01-24T08:47:21.758-06:002017-01-24T08:47:21.758-06:00I guess the question is who does one see as Elite?...I guess the question is who does one see as Elite?<br /><br />A bunch of Lawyers / Politicians / Professors who have a lot of theory but little real world business experience... Or business people who have spent their life setting goals, prioritizing, managing people and driving high performance?<br /><br />Would you hire a football player who had only studied football but never played?<br /><br /><br />"Elitist: a person who believes that a society or system should be led by an elite."<br /><br />"Elite: a select part of a group that is superior to the rest in terms of ability or qualities."<br /><br />Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-9837250931078736562017-01-24T08:25:07.752-06:002017-01-24T08:25:07.752-06:00I love how 'elite' has become a four-lette...I love how 'elite' has become a four-letter word. Imagine trying to watch NFL football without any of the elite players playing. Imagine trying to get to the moon without the elite scientists working on it.<br /><br />So be it. But I won't be afraid to say, "I told you so."<br /><br />JoelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-89500603091161453072017-01-24T07:38:58.779-06:002017-01-24T07:38:58.779-06:00Why do you refuse to acknowledge that the Democrat...Why do you refuse to acknowledge that the Democrats became elitist, myopic and stopped being concerned with the wants and needs of all Americans?<br /><br />It's not that we elites, aren't concerned the needs of all Americans, rather it's that we condescend to them. And look what happens when we choose leaders who aren't elite. We end up with a sociopathic reality tv host who is incapable of telling the truth as president. Not such an argument for the non elitist approach I would say.<br /><br />--HiramAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-68533843333869292152017-01-23T20:42:12.855-06:002017-01-23T20:42:12.855-06:00Until Democrats are willing to truly wrestle with ...Until Democrats are willing to truly wrestle with some of these issues, they are going to have a real hard time staying in control. Running away from them and calling people who are concerned about them stupid is why the Democratic party is struggling right now...<br /><br />Hopefully we will hear from you again when you have cooled down. Have a good evening !!!Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-78088006182408104412017-01-23T18:31:02.648-06:002017-01-23T18:31:02.648-06:00Good bye. Your views at this point are too stupid ...Good bye. Your views at this point are too stupid to bother with anymore. Have fun debating issues with Hiram and Jerry. I have better things to do with my time.Laurienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-17196813048222681072017-01-23T18:10:11.956-06:002017-01-23T18:10:11.956-06:00It is a GREAT SYSTEM !!! And of course the Democr...It is a GREAT SYSTEM !!! And of course the Democrats have some control via the Senate.<br /><br />The Democrats can fix this at anytime... Just stop being obsessed with:<br />- protecting Public Employees over the needs of children and tax payers<br />- protecting ILLEGAL workers who steal jobs from legal Americans and depress wages<br />- stealing from the successful hard working folks to give to the Baby Makers and other Free Loaders <br />- demanding that Religious people behave against their beliefs<br />- regulating everything in attempt to protect everyone from everything<br />- vilifying the companies and people who provide jobs<br /><br />Just to annoy you further... The Liberal policies of the past 50 years did promote the birth and raising of many poor undereducated urban citizens... Thankfully the founding Fathers set the rules so everyone has a say, not just those who have a problem staying married and using birth control... :-) Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-705621676569928052017-01-23T17:43:20.883-06:002017-01-23T17:43:20.883-06:00WTF you are going to defend a system that gives t...WTF you are going to defend a system that gives the majority no power in DC. I have more curse words and name calling but I am just going to stop typing instead. Dems are voters are the efffing majority. I couldn't help myself.Laurienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-88876009020260727752017-01-23T17:39:02.694-06:002017-01-23T17:39:02.694-06:00Interesting Map
More Maps - source
Snopes County...<a href="http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2016/countymappurple1024.png" rel="nofollow">Interesting Map</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2016/" rel="nofollow">More Maps - source</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.snopes.com/trump-won-3084-of-3141-counties-clinton-won-57/" rel="nofollow">Snopes County Report is False</a>Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-11089692215919822132017-01-23T17:27:07.531-06:002017-01-23T17:27:07.531-06:00Why do you refuse to acknowledge that the Democrat...Why do you refuse to acknowledge that the Democrats became elitist, myopic and stopped being concerned with the wants and needs of all Americans?<br /><br />They know the rules of the country. They know they can not control the country with only the urban vote. And yet that is what they try to do.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-42154393392458471332017-01-23T17:23:01.669-06:002017-01-23T17:23:01.669-06:00Laurie,
For the same reason that I often state.
O...Laurie,<br />For the same reason that I often state.<br /><br />Our country IS NOT a National Democracy.<br />Our country is a Republic of 50 State Democracies.<br /><br />This was very wisely done on purpose. Our country is ~241 years old and we only had 1 civil war... And that was over a very contentious wealth / rights affecting topic. <br /><br />Just like the Legislative, Executive and Judicial checks and balances. Our State structure ensures that every region has some say.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-46322868681295247602017-01-23T17:05:39.893-06:002017-01-23T17:05:39.893-06:00the urban people (the majority) are the ones whose...the urban people (the majority) are the ones whose representatives are relatively powerless in DC (even though they are the majority and their candidate received 2% higher vote total). Why do you refuse to acknowledge that the GOP has a disproportionate share of the power and our country is not a fair democracy.Laurienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-35930385349446127252017-01-23T14:16:19.393-06:002017-01-23T14:16:19.393-06:00The big question for me is when will Democrats sto...The big question for me is when will Democrats stop spinning fanciful tales about how much they care for us (or at least the minorities) and start supporting those programs and projects that actually SOLVE the problems they claim to be solving with their high-handed, one-size-fits-all, government-knows-best, bureaucratic-nightmare dumpster fire laws and regulations?jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-56911403268118606222017-01-23T13:33:50.423-06:002017-01-23T13:33:50.423-06:00Hiram,
I don't think we need to worry about th...Hiram,<br />I don't think we need to worry about the rural folks running rough shod over anyone... (ie not enough dollars or votes there) But they can slow change and ensure they are listened to.<br /><br />Should I have not voted then? I mean Clinton won MN and the delegates.<br /><br />The big question to me is when will the Democrats broaden their appeal to people from all communities, not just those with high population density?<br /><br />Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-33600416884414607892017-01-23T12:13:40.104-06:002017-01-23T12:13:40.104-06:00Large urban centers are not allowed to run rough s...Large urban centers are not allowed to run rough shod over the rest of the country.<br /><br />Should they explain that it's ok when small urban centers run rough shod over the rest of the country? Did the founders really believe that there was some special virtue to living in small urban centers?<br /><br />Hopefully next time they will be motivated to speak through their vote also. <br /><br />Americans did speak through their votes from both small and large urban centers. But the candidate they spoke for did not win the election. So what was the point in voting?<br /><br />--HiramAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-91192666615314358182017-01-23T11:29:33.974-06:002017-01-23T11:29:33.974-06:00Joel,
Agreed... There is nothing wrong with them ...Joel,<br />Agreed... There is nothing wrong with them protesting whether they voted or not.<br /><br />Hopefully next time they will be motivated to speak through their vote also. Not just cry over spilt milk.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.com