tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post737855206611049595..comments2024-03-28T02:32:09.047-05:00Comments on Give2Attain: Apparently Tolerance Only Goes One Way Johnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-76844895132067200882015-07-09T19:44:35.869-05:002015-07-09T19:44:35.869-05:00I would EXPECT to be fired for a Reagan picture, o...I would EXPECT to be fired for a Reagan picture, or a Trump T-shirt, if I worked for the Hillary campaign or for Al Franken's office. On the other hand, I wouldn't think it right to be fired from, oh, say, Mozilla Corp. Oh, wait...<br /><br />As far as a lawsuit goes, conservatives suffer from rather rigid ideas of right and wrong, while liberals are allowed to destroy anyone who doesn't agree with them, regardless of who is "right" on the issue and regardless of whether or not such destruction is morally wrong. jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-59081322764049733302015-07-09T19:00:11.564-05:002015-07-09T19:00:11.564-05:00Of course I was talking to you, my other Conservat...Of course I was talking to you, my other Conservative commenters got scared off by that big mean Laurie. :-)<br /><br />So you wouldn't be tempted to sue or ask for legal protections if you got fired for having a small picture of Reagan on your desk at work? You would just accept that that is the cost of living a openly Conservative lifestyle. Now that is a stoic personality...<br /><br />As Sean has mentioned LGBT folks have been fired for doing nothing worse than putting a small photo of their significant other at their desk. Which personally I think is wrong and needs to be stopped in most cases.<br /> <br />Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-39829221875051241802015-07-09T17:17:16.154-05:002015-07-09T17:17:16.154-05:00"... would you be okay if ..." Wildly a..."... would you be okay if ..." Wildly assuming that you meant that comment in my direction, I would say I would have to be "OK" with it because that is the way liberals treat "my kind" today, when they think they can get away with it. It's certainly not unheard of to be ostracized by one's "betters" when your conservative proclivities become known. Surprisingly, I don't know many [committed] liberals in business, so the "wedding cake" scenario doesn't seem to play out in reverse. jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-46749515606195551522015-07-09T14:38:42.756-05:002015-07-09T14:38:42.756-05:00By the way, just to make sure I did not hurt your ...By the way, just to make sure I did not hurt your feelings. I put those nasty labels in quotes to imply that that is how a far Left business owner would likely see you.<br /><br />Just as many of the far Religious Right see LGBT people as "Sinners" who are not to be associated with or aided in the unnatural behaviors.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-45936854857539466912015-07-09T10:07:07.231-05:002015-07-09T10:07:07.231-05:00By the way, you will now tolerate gay marriage...
...By the way, you will now tolerate gay marriage...<br /><br />It is now the law of the land...Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-27003926751123465692015-07-09T10:05:59.877-05:002015-07-09T10:05:59.877-05:00Just curious.
Playing the Devil's advocate,...Just curious. <br /><br />Playing the Devil's advocate, would you be okay if business owners refused to hire you, cater your event, rent you an apartment because you are a "Homophobic, Anti-Government Services, Anti-Environmental Protection, etc Conservative"?<br /><br />Thoughts?Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-64829244600899392322015-07-09T09:13:01.117-05:002015-07-09T09:13:01.117-05:00Let's put it this way: my LGBT friends are en...Let's put it this way: my LGBT friends are entitled to exactly all of the tolerance I am willing to give them, and no more. jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-87207687694226218162015-07-09T09:11:18.537-05:002015-07-09T09:11:18.537-05:00We seem to be reducing "discrimination agains...We seem to be reducing "discrimination against LGBT" to the single notion of legal marriage for gays. Bisexuals can already get married, so that doesn't matter. One assumes a legal name change for a fully-"T" could also get married. Gay couples right now can find any number of churches willing to conduct a ceremony for them, and a lawyer can grant them almost everything else, EXCEPT society's approval and government benefits. So, what's this really about? Most folks I know were willing to live and let live, but trying to cram acceptance down their throats makes them less accepting, not more. Like the title says, tolerance needs to be a two-way street or traffic jams up. jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-73838417198628715952015-07-08T13:03:03.711-05:002015-07-08T13:03:03.711-05:00Yes. Thankfully I do not have a dog in this fight...Yes. Thankfully I do not have a dog in this fight.<br /><br />One of my core beliefs is that we can influence our happiness and satisfaction by what we focus our attention on.<br /><br />For example, my wife and I have serious differences in a couple of areas... So I could focus on that ~5% of our relationship and be miserable, or I can focus on the ~95% where we are strongly aligned and just accept the differences and her as she is. (ie unconditional love...)<br /><br />For ~215 years LGBT people in America had to live in fear, during the past ~24 years they appear in sitcoms, are in fashion, have the right to marry and are protected in almost half the states. <br /><br />I guess I would advise you spend more time focusing on the celebration while continuing to apply slow steady pressure. Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-91226191009497175812015-07-08T11:45:04.272-05:002015-07-08T11:45:04.272-05:00It's easy for you to be sanguine about it -- i...It's easy for you to be sanguine about it -- it's not your ox being gored.Seanhttp://brickcityblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-21453596387250432552015-07-08T11:04:51.394-05:002015-07-08T11:04:51.394-05:00When our society is ready, Congress will be ready....When our society is ready, Congress will be ready. It is coming in time.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-81649210976862205902015-07-08T09:29:09.504-05:002015-07-08T09:29:09.504-05:00Polling has showed support for such a provision, b...Polling has showed support for such a provision, but the party currently controlling Congress has no interest in passing such a change.Seanhttp://brickcityblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-63263092069176269092015-07-08T09:23:33.548-05:002015-07-08T09:23:33.548-05:00Then how about we get the Federal Public Accomodat...Then how about we get the <a href="http://civilrights.findlaw.com/enforcing-your-civil-rights/discrimination-in-public-accommodations.html" rel="nofollow">Federal Public Accomodation Laws</a> updated. Surely their is enough societal norm support to get them improved. Yes / No?Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-25311641419440102422015-07-08T08:26:40.875-05:002015-07-08T08:26:40.875-05:00Race and gender are only specifically mentioned in...Race and gender are only specifically mentioned in the amendments that gave them the right to vote. The basis for their protection under anti-discrimination law is based in the 14th Amendment, which doesn't specify protected classes.Seanhttp://brickcityblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-14377095428596293432015-07-07T17:52:25.882-05:002015-07-07T17:52:25.882-05:00Sean,
Race, Gender and Religion are specifically m...Sean,<br />Race, Gender and Religion are specifically mentioned in many places, not so for LGBT.<br /><br />Now if the LGBT supporters could get an amendment passed, that would be a true sign that our society is fully ready to accept a change in our social norms. Do you think that could happen today like it did for women and racial equality?<br /><br />Unrelated... <a href="http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/religious-beliefs-gay-rights-clash-in-court-case-over-cake/ar-AAcEagB?ocid=BDT3DHP" rel="nofollow">MSN CO Cake Case</a>Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-20790835892593475932015-07-07T13:20:22.542-05:002015-07-07T13:20:22.542-05:00John, what in the Constitution -- specifically -- ...John, what in the Constitution -- specifically -- supports your view of race or gender or religion versus LGBT civil rights?Seanhttp://brickcityblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-64328407659475204032015-07-07T13:09:20.520-05:002015-07-07T13:09:20.520-05:00No.
Bill of Rights and AmendmentsNo.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.ushistory.org/documents/amendments.htm" rel="nofollow">Bill of Rights and Amendments</a>Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-7722468872978065182015-07-07T12:50:55.066-05:002015-07-07T12:50:55.066-05:00That is three different things. Two are constitut...That is three different things. Two are constitutionally ordained rights. The third was proposed but never ratified, thankfully. And marriage has nothing to do with any of them. jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-74028135799874342932015-07-07T12:12:50.315-05:002015-07-07T12:12:50.315-05:00Should we allow states to vote on equal rights bas...Should we allow states to vote on equal rights based on race or gender or religion? If not, why not?Seanhttp://brickcityblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-52879884364242724862015-07-07T11:57:22.318-05:002015-07-07T11:57:22.318-05:00"So what"
Whenever an LGBT Supporter br..."So what"<br /><br />Whenever an LGBT Supporter brings up the Public Accomodation laws, they talk like it is already the law of the land all over the USA. The reality is that the citizens of the USA are still struggling with how to best balance the LGBT and Religious Freedoms. I simply think that it is wrong to ignore the will of the citizens in each State just because the LGBT Supporters believe their view is morally superior. Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-79873223691945271362015-07-07T11:48:26.167-05:002015-07-07T11:48:26.167-05:00I only mentioned the societal risk/cost because yo...I only mentioned the societal risk/cost because you were saying that main streaming LGBT had no societal cost, and that main streaming polygamy had a higher cost. Not a big issue to me either way, since I am a motorcycle rider who once in awhile neglects to wear my helmut when tooling around close to home.<br /><br />With Freedom comes Risk. I have no desire to try to legislate away all risk and societal cost.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-21249265965299165412015-07-07T09:55:09.263-05:002015-07-07T09:55:09.263-05:00"I always find it interesting when the "..."I always find it interesting when the "public accomodation" argument comes up, since it does not apply to LGBT folks yet in most States."<br /><br />So what? It used to not apply to race or gender, either. If we took your logic, nothing would ever change because that's just the way it is.Seanhttp://brickcityblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-42591802515002223512015-07-07T09:52:47.205-05:002015-07-07T09:52:47.205-05:00"I think making the GLBT life style socially ..."I think making the GLBT life style socially acceptable will likely increase the number of people participating in the life style. (ie more players, more risk)"<br /><br />If same-sex attraction will be proven to have a biological component, as you've said you think will happen eventually, why would this be the case in any significant amount?Seanhttp://brickcityblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-24279112171066045432015-07-07T09:52:24.386-05:002015-07-07T09:52:24.386-05:00I always find it interesting when the "public...I always find it interesting when the "public accomodation" argument comes up, since it does not apply to LGBT folks yet in most States.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/non_discrimination_laws" rel="nofollow">Public Accomodation Map</a>Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-4588041885512553502015-07-07T09:49:14.358-05:002015-07-07T09:49:14.358-05:00"Does same sex marriage encourage or discoura..."Does same sex marriage encourage or discourage promiscuous behavior?"<br /><br />I think making the GLBT life style socially acceptable will likely increase the number of people participating in the life style. (ie more players, more risk)<br /><br />Since the choice to be monogamous has nothing to do with being legally married, I think it will have minimal to no effect on promiscuous behavior. It will be interesting to see what the stats on LGBT marriage/divorce show after a few years.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.com