tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post8315520408130121922..comments2024-03-28T06:23:02.679-05:00Comments on Give2Attain: The Challenge of ModerationJohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-67740822580499480192016-04-12T18:49:11.625-05:002016-04-12T18:49:11.625-05:00"There's an inherent difference here. You..."There's an inherent difference here. Your diet, for the most part, affects only you. An energy choice, I would argue, can affect more than just yourself."-- Joel<br /><br />Agreed, however they are the same in that neither of them should be mandated by government without an overwhelming necessity for the public good. If I choose a diet that eventually kills me, that's my choice. If I choose an energy supplier that's low cost and high reliability, that should be my choice, too. I do NOT consider "saving the planet" from 0.02 degrees of "climate change" to be worth the tremendous price in personal and economic freedom. <br /><br />I'll moderate my diet to live longer, and choose my energy sources to save money. That's moderation.jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-41024285965847101592016-04-12T18:40:04.973-05:002016-04-12T18:40:04.973-05:00Maybe Jerry and yourselves are thick skinned enoug...Maybe Jerry and yourselves are thick skinned enough not to mind, however I think most readers would prefer to not have a our discussions degrade to name calling and negative labeling.<br /><br />You big nanna boo boo... :-)Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-32717804610066185412016-04-12T16:37:11.559-05:002016-04-12T16:37:11.559-05:00But your words don't hurt me. I take no offens...But your words don't hurt me. I take no offense. They are your opinion and you are entitled to them.<br /><br />JoelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-72726894721809418812016-04-12T16:30:44.936-05:002016-04-12T16:30:44.936-05:00"Ignorant Chicken Little" "It would..."Ignorant Chicken Little" "It would be inaccurate". Joel<br /><br />It may or may not be inaccurate, that again is not the point. The point is that one does not call another person an "Ignorant Denialist" or an "Ignorant Chicken Little" in polite professional conversation no matter what one is thinking at the time.<br /><br />That is unless you want to be compared to our favorite ranter Donald trump.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-72880931911492561352016-04-12T16:23:52.939-05:002016-04-12T16:23:52.939-05:00"I'm simply suggesting that we each get t..."I'm simply suggesting that we each get to decide for ourselves what that diet includes (i.e. NOT government), and that we control our own health consequences. I apply the same logic to our energy sources-- we should get to decide for ourselves."<br /><br />There's an inherent difference here. Your diet, for the most part, affects only you. An energy choice, I would argue, can affect more than just yourself.<br /><br />Joel<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-66439042341017277052016-04-12T15:44:25.194-05:002016-04-12T15:44:25.194-05:00"I am saying we need to change because of wha..."I am saying we need to change because of what it is CURRENTLY doing to us."-- Joel<br /><br />Now you are the one being confusing. We need to change WHAT? What is "it" "doing to us"? We're all still alive and reasonably happy. Is there something wrong with that situation?jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-26447004209683991612016-04-12T15:40:32.529-05:002016-04-12T15:40:32.529-05:00I think the jury is still out on that "everyt...I think the jury is still out on that "everything you need." The easy way to get all the nutrients you need is to have a varied omnivore-type diet. Moderation and variety in what is included in your diet would, I think, be healthiest, or at least make one happiest even with a slightly shorter (or longer) life. I'm simply suggesting that we each get to decide for ourselves what that diet includes (i.e. NOT government), and that we control our own health consequences. I apply the same logic to our energy sources-- we should get to decide for ourselves.<br /><br />OH. I see. The topic is about how the COMMENTS are "moderated" and what may constitute an "immoderate" post. That's asking a lot. :-) The limited space available here makes it easier to take strong rather than "nuanced" positions.jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-46590593502278175252016-04-12T15:32:27.376-05:002016-04-12T15:32:27.376-05:00'Do you think I should let someone call you an...'Do you think I should let someone call you an "Ignorant Chicken Little"?'<br /><br />It would be inaccurate, but whatever.<br /><br />I am saying we need to change because of what it is CURRENTLY doing to us.<br /><br />JoelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-81006105163476944812016-04-12T15:14:40.644-05:002016-04-12T15:14:40.644-05:00Joel,
Since this is the moderation post...
Do you...Joel,<br />Since this is the moderation post...<br /><br />Do you think I should let someone call you an "Ignorant Chicken Little"? I mean you keep telling us how we need to change or the something TERRIBLE will happen...<br /><br />The point is that you <b>called Jerry</b> an "Ignorant Denialist". Whether it was accurate or not is immaterial. It is not allowed in professional polite discussion.<br /><br />That which we try to enable here at G2A. I will likely close this post to comment soon if it keeps straying to what should be on the food / carbon post...<br />Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-39030177552903379562016-04-12T13:20:08.227-05:002016-04-12T13:20:08.227-05:00"Do you deny that human beings evolved as omn..."Do you deny that human beings evolved as omnivores?"<br /><br />When it is possible to derive all of the nutrients we need from a diet that does not include animal products, does it matter?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-36445069181433006382016-04-12T13:14:14.361-05:002016-04-12T13:14:14.361-05:00I would laugh only at the assertion that going veg...I would laugh only at the assertion that going vegan would save the planet from global warming. I would NOT laugh at the hare-brained notion that government should step in and require it, because some fool congresscritter might think it a great idea. <br /><br />I am aware of the dangers of high-fat diets. We're all told to eat more vegetables and fruit. I am under doctor's orders to eat a little fat and protein at every meal, along with the vegetables. Do you deny that human beings evolved as omnivores? jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-11080707996165868962016-04-12T11:04:20.018-05:002016-04-12T11:04:20.018-05:00The data is out there about meat consumption. Why ...The data is out there about meat consumption. Why would you laugh at the assertion that it's a problem...unless you are unaware or deny it?<br /><br />JoelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-15202661622464686712016-04-12T10:56:05.707-05:002016-04-12T10:56:05.707-05:00I can understand it without having to change my li...I can understand it without having to change my lifestyle, just by accepting the trade-offs involved. <br /><br />So tell me, what am I denying, and is that a good or bad thing, depending on what is being denied? Denial of proven truth is probably not good. Denial of baseless or unwarranted assertions is entirely reasonable. jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-43356201381804788562016-04-12T10:45:19.219-05:002016-04-12T10:45:19.219-05:00I think you are ignorant if you don't understa...I think you are ignorant if you don't understand the huge impact that meat consumption has on the environment and human health.<br /><br />And your reaction was to laugh. That screams 'denial'.<br /><br />JoelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-86768974847330306812016-04-12T10:08:26.416-05:002016-04-12T10:08:26.416-05:00Joel has the correct comment and entirely the wron...Joel has the correct comment and entirely the wrong interpretation. At no point did I suggest that he was promoting a mandatory vegan policy. I assumed based on past discussions that he WAS in favor of such a radical authoritarian policy with regard to "Climate Change," such as Obama's "clean power plan" or a binding form of the Paris agreement. <br /><br />And yes, on that, you can call me a "denialist" but only if ad hominem is the only argument you have. More properly I would be called a skeptic, since you need information to be a skeptic, so "ignorant denialist" would be doubly wrong. The facts and simple logic dictate the truth and the only "denial" of the truth is from those whose vested interest is in keeping the scam of catastrophic manmade climate change alive.jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-60844754742070620532016-04-11T15:30:13.507-05:002016-04-11T15:30:13.507-05:00I guess after reading it again, I still do not see...I guess after reading it again, I still do not see how he claimed that is what you believe.<br /><br />And your comment was not struck because you labeled him correctly.(ie denialist)<br /><br />But because you called him an "<b>ignorant denialist</b>".<br /><br />Maybe I am sensitive since Pat called me on using Democrat as an adjective the other day... In violation of MP rules.<br /><br />"2. 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This is jerry's utter fabrication of...No John-<br /><br />This is jerry's utter fabrication of my position:<br /><br />"And having government mandate such a radical totalitarian policy (as they are doing with energy) just to accomplish NOTHING is indeed worthy of derision, were it not so serious."<br /><br />Never in the history of history has Joel ever said or suggested such a thing.<br /><br />JoelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com