tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post6367614822596007661..comments2024-03-28T10:08:06.291-05:00Comments on Give2Attain: WH Immigration ProposalJohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-61318593057743479492018-02-01T11:05:58.216-06:002018-02-01T11:05:58.216-06:00Sean,
Thanks for the link. They are interesting th...Sean,<br />Thanks for the link. They are interesting theories though they all seem pretty unproven so far.<br /><br />Since ~half of America non-governmental <a href="https://www.sba.gov/sites/default/files/advocacy/SB-FAQ-2017-WEB.pdf" rel="nofollow">workers are employed by small businesses</a>. And often the large employers pay more, I am not sure I buy into it.<br /><br />I would love to see an unbiased study focused exclusively on low end job impacts.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-71845363816353278202018-02-01T09:59:23.881-06:002018-02-01T09:59:23.881-06:00I'll just leave this here.
Forbes: A Differen...I'll just leave this here.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/washingtonbytes/2018/02/01/while-trump-blames-immigrants/#6ef5adbf41ed" rel="nofollow">Forbes: A Different Theory for Stagnant Wages</a>Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-9509016557055480652018-02-01T08:46:08.146-06:002018-02-01T08:46:08.146-06:00Sean, that NK refugee, as I understand it, "l...Sean, that NK refugee, as I understand it, "lives in Seoul." jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-58106393963623996502018-02-01T08:44:40.237-06:002018-02-01T08:44:40.237-06:00John, I find a couple faults with the Goodlatte bi...John, I find a couple faults with the Goodlatte bill, too, but none of those you cite are included in those objections.<br /> -- I really like the notion that DACA folks get to stay (after vetting), but have to "get in line" for citizenship.<br /> -- I don't see that we are "reducing intake." I see a cut to ordinary folk and a corresponding increase in the more desirable immigrants.<br /> -- Which is what you want.<br /><br />My objections are that we do not share the 9+ million names and locations of illegals KNOWN to the government with ICE, and that we are unwilling to expand the guest worker program to allow all of those folks to stay under the same conditions as proposed for the DACA folks. Huge amount of work for ICE, but to me it solves all the problems with either amnesty or "throw them all out" extremes. And it lets some very nice people I know stay here and work, legally. jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-60634975415845968542018-01-31T14:15:09.372-06:002018-01-31T14:15:09.372-06:00My favorite part of the State of the Union last ni...My favorite part of the State of the Union last night was when the President decried "chain migration", then saluted the North Korean refugee whose family followed him out in waves over the following years.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-61018928934037593262018-01-31T11:39:23.266-06:002018-01-31T11:39:23.266-06:00Jerry,
The Goodlatte summary looks fine to me exce...Jerry,<br />The Goodlatte summary looks fine to me except:<br />- I like Trump's path to citizenship for the ~2 million<br />- We should not be reducing immigrant intake<br />- We should be bringing in people who can make the USA more globally competitiveJohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-26278360970515296902018-01-31T11:34:41.552-06:002018-01-31T11:34:41.552-06:00Sean,
Please remember that I have no issue with th...Sean,<br />Please remember that I have no issue with the number of legal immigrants we allow each year. I just to ensure they are these educated, qualified, financially stable folks, etc.<br /><br />No sense adding to our currently too large "dependent class".<br /><br />And illegal immigration is NOT legal immigration and it should be STOPPED ASAP.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-74100134858511843932018-01-31T11:29:04.330-06:002018-01-31T11:29:04.330-06:00Sean,
Thanks for the link. I thought his summary ...Sean,<br />Thanks for the link. I thought his summary was most accurate.<br /><br />"Progressives say Republicans oppose immigration because of bigotry. But it’s not that simple. It’s more accurate to say restrictionists are stuck in a mono-cultural system that undermines their own values: industry, faithfulness and self-discipline. Of course they react with defensive animosity to the immigrants who out-hustle and out-build them. <b>You’d react negatively, too, if confronted with people who are better versions of what you wish you were yourself.</b>"Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-91207436946320952822018-01-30T11:37:08.402-06:002018-01-30T11:37:08.402-06:00I find the Goodlatte bill more satisfying. I disa...I find the Goodlatte bill more satisfying. I disagree with Breitbart's negative assessment <br /><a href="https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4760/text" rel="nofollow"> Breitbart</a><br />And prefer the official summary:<br /><a href="https://judiciary.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/011018-Securing-Americas-Future-Act-Final.pdf" rel="nofollow"> Securing Americas Future Act</a>jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-4781309521022760462018-01-30T11:03:17.860-06:002018-01-30T11:03:17.860-06:00I will take the rare opportunity to agree with Dav...I will take the rare opportunity to agree with David Brooks, also. Since the data AGAINST man-made climate change is so overwhelming, it seems obvious that, From the data, the only possible conclusion regarding illegal immigration is that it must be curbed. And I hate to tell him this, but a 1000 mile road trip is barely anecdotal evidence of anything, let alone the composition of the population beyond the berms of the highway.jerrye92002https://www.blogger.com/profile/01858692298982859775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-60274316641451869942018-01-30T08:14:50.520-06:002018-01-30T08:14:50.520-06:00It's not often I say this, but I recommend the...It's not often I say this, but I recommend the David Brooks column today.<br /><br /><i>"That’s because when you wade into the evidence you find that the case for restricting immigration is pathetically weak. The only people who have less actual data on their side are the people who deny climate change.<br /><br />You don’t have to rely on pointy-headed academics. Get in your car. If you start in rural New England and drive down into Appalachia or across into the Upper Midwest you will be driving through county after county with few immigrants. These rural places are often 95 percent white. These places lack the diversity restrictionists say is straining the social fabric.<br /><br />Are these counties marked by high social cohesion, economic dynamism, surging wages and healthy family values? No. Quite the opposite. They are often marked by economic stagnation, social isolation, family breakdown and high opioid addiction."</i><br /><br /><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/opinion/east-germany-immigration-usa.html" rel="nofollow">NYT Brooks: The East Germans of the 21st Century</a>Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-56606238624933528872018-01-30T08:01:31.275-06:002018-01-30T08:01:31.275-06:00"The WH Framework Does Not Seem to Specify&qu..."The WH Framework Does Not Seem to Specify"<br /><br />Correct. So what's the point -- that's not the bill at hand.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-21884541610741980642018-01-29T19:06:55.435-06:002018-01-29T19:06:55.435-06:00That text comes from last CNN in August.
The WH F...That text comes from last CNN in August.<br /><br />The <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/white-house-framework-immigration-reform-border-security/" rel="nofollow">WH Framework Does Not Seem to Specify</a>Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-77356871824534880742018-01-29T15:47:32.731-06:002018-01-29T15:47:32.731-06:00That text is from a different bill, not the White ...That text is from a different bill, not the White House framework.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-50068941713339052092018-01-29T15:16:19.921-06:002018-01-29T15:16:19.921-06:00By the way, I don't see country of origin in t...By the way, I don't see country of origin in the scoring criteria:<br /><br />A candidate must have at least 30 points to apply. <br /><br /><br />Here's how the points would be doled out:<br /><br />Age<br /><br />Priority is given to prime working ages. Someone aged 18 through 21 gets six points, ages 22 through 25 gets eight points and ages 26 through 30 get 10 points. <br /><br />The points then decrease, with someone aged 31 through 35 getting eight points, 36 through 40 getting six points, ages 41 through 45 getting four points and ages 46 through 50 getting two points. <br /><br />Minors under the age of 18 and those over the age of 50 receive no points, though people over 50 years old are still allowed to apply. <br /><br /><br />Education<br /><br />Points are distributed based on the highest degree a person has achieved. One point is given for an applicant with a US high school diploma or the foreign equivalent. A foreign bachelor's degree earns five points, while a US bachelor's degree earns six points. <br /><br />A foreign master's degree in STEM fields earns seven points while a US master's earns eight points. A foreign professional degree or doctorate earns 10 points and a US equivalent earns 13. <br /><br /><br />English ability<br /><br />Points are also given out for English ability, as determined by standardized English test. <br /><br />Anyone with less than a 60th percentile proficiency gets no points. Between 60th and 80th percentile is worth six points, someone in the 80th to 90th percentile range earns 10 points, someone with a 90th percentile proficiency or above earns 11 points, and someone in the 100th percentile range earns 12 points. <br /><br /><br />Job offer?<br /><br />The only point scale that factors in whether an individual actually has a job offer in the US comes in the form of salary in an effort to boost wages. <br /><br />Five points are awarded if an applicant has a job offer that will pay at least 150% of median household income in the state where he or she will be employed. That goes up to eight points if the income is 200% the median income, and 13 points if it's 300% the median.<br /><br /><br />Nobel Prize<br /><br />There are bonus points available for "extraordinary achievement," mainly reserved for major international awards. The system grants 25 points to someone who has won a Nobel prize or something "comparable."<br /><br /><br />Olympics<br /><br />Fifteen points would be given to someone earning an individual Olympic medal or relatively competitive international sporting event. <br /><br /><br />Investors<br /><br />The bill would eliminate a category of visas that spurred foreign investment in the US, the EB-5 program, which was used by Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner's family businesses to build major real estate projects. <br /><br />That concept is represented by awarding six points to an applicant who invests $1.35 million into a "new commercial enterprise" in the US, maintained for three years and with that individual holding management of that business as his or her primary application. The points go up to 12 if the investment is $1.8 million. <br /><br /><br />Spouses<br /><br />The bill also requires applicants, if they want to bring a spouse with them, to calculate the points the spouse would earn under the same rubric.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-85790074509740532962018-01-29T15:11:44.188-06:002018-01-29T15:11:44.188-06:00For most of my life I lived to serve and help my f...For most of my life I lived to serve and help my family, friends and employer. Then one day I had a stress induced massive panic attack that triggered on going anxiety symptoms. Which thankfully 30 mg of paxil controls very well.<br /><br />What I learned from that experience is that I simply need to put my needs first in order to ensure that I stay strong and healthy enough to care for my family, friends and employer.<br /><br />Now you can believe that this is some massive xenophobic racist plot, and maybe it is for a small group of Americans. But the reality is that it is just taking care of America and Americans so we can continue to help people all around the world.<br /><br />No one wins when we overload the life boat and many American citizens suffer because of it.<br /><br />Most of us do not want to reduce the legal immigration rate, we just want to change the mix to better meet the needs of America and it's citizens. We will still support family reunification and refugees, they would just not make up the majority of our immigrants as they do today.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-81236471745812916082018-01-29T14:51:52.699-06:002018-01-29T14:51:52.699-06:00Did your ancestors come to America because they we...Did your ancestors come to America because they were too wealthy and bored in their home country and required a challenge?<br /><br />America was a lifeboat for my ancestors. It gave them opportunity they didn't have at home. We shouldn't shut the door behind us now. No one is suggesting that we allowed unlimited, unfettered immigration. But it can't just be wealthy Norwegians, either.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-68224021856777068102018-01-29T14:49:16.807-06:002018-01-29T14:49:16.807-06:00Page 1 and 2 of this document have some interestin...<a href="https://fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/R43145.pdf" rel="nofollow">Page 1 and 2 of this document</a> have some interesting history of how this mess came to be.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-21006351558257562202018-01-29T14:36:12.188-06:002018-01-29T14:36:12.188-06:00I agree... "Let's embrace the spirit that...I agree... "Let's embrace the spirit that built America"<br /><br />Let's bring in immigrants who help America and it's citizens become more successful... :-)<br /><br />It seems to be only the Liberals who see our immigration policy as a life boat for the world's poor. Somehow a gift from a foreign country and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus" rel="nofollow">a poem were made into USA policy</a>.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-4923490868648937252018-01-29T14:20:29.645-06:002018-01-29T14:20:29.645-06:00"The "it worked back then argument"..."The "it worked back then argument" is ever so pointless."<br /><br />I understand this sentiment to an extent. But you also have to understand how this looks and feels to a new generation of immigrants who note that now their relatives aren't good enough to come in anymore. And let's not pretend that the fact immigrants today are less white than before doesn't play a part in this.<br /><br />The facts -- again -- are that immigrants to this country tend to be better educated than the citizens that are already here. Study after study shows immigration is a net benefit to this country. We have many occupations that are facing job shortages in the near future. We need a larger workforce. Let's embrace the spirit that built America, not run away from it.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-58881769795479183192018-01-29T13:49:44.296-06:002018-01-29T13:49:44.296-06:00The "it worked back then argument" is ev...The "it worked back then argument" is ever so pointless.<br /><br />Back then the USA needed a whole lot of unskilled uneducated labor to fill and grow our country.<br /><br />Back then one wrote letters to family members and waited months for replies. And people moving was challenging to say the least.<br /><br />Now let's compare that to today, communication in instantaneous, relocating takes a ~15 hour air plane ride and the USA really does not need anymore unskilled uneducated workers at this time...<br /><br />So let's live in today and find a solution that helps American citizens first. And one that helps people from other countries second.<br />Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-92056244793877435172018-01-29T13:18:42.252-06:002018-01-29T13:18:42.252-06:00"What do you think the result of giving the e..."What do you think the result of giving the extended families a step up on all other immigrants would lead to?"<br /><br />That's how immigration to this country has worked for literally centuries. Having family connections in the U.S. gave you a leg up at Ellis Island. That's how my family came over, and probably how yours did, too.<br /><br />"'You can increase skilled immigration without reducing family migration. It's not a zero-sum game.'<br /><br />I guess I did not know where to go with this wide open statement.<br /><br />I mean it seems that you are happy to increase the rate in an open ended manner to bring in immigrant extended families no matter the impact it would have on individual existing American citizens."<br /><br />There is literally nothing "wide open" about my statement. Nowhere do I advocate for increasing family or unskilled immigration. Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-67048084829995305442018-01-29T12:52:51.118-06:002018-01-29T12:52:51.118-06:00What amazes me the most is that many of the same p...What amazes me the most is that many of the same people who complain about the wages being too low in the USA are the ones demanding that we bring in many more people to compete for those jobs...<br /><br />And the same people who complain about minorities not having opportunities in the USA are the ones demanding that we bring in many more people to compete for those opportunities...<br /><br />And the same people who are scared that automation is going to destroy jobs in the USA are the ones demanding that we bring in many more people for jobs we may no longer have...<br /><br />It simply defies logic from my position. I have a vision of a life boat where people keep picking up more people from the ocean while the people in the bottom of the boat are smothering to death. I mean it is good to help people, but not if it is going to harm others.<br />Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-28677991103993646432018-01-29T12:42:26.576-06:002018-01-29T12:42:26.576-06:00Another note regarding my "straw man"......Another note regarding my "straw man"...<br /><br />"No, it doesn't. The different visa programs have individual limits. <b>You can increase skilled immigration without reducing family migration. It's not a zero-sum game.</b>"<br /><br />I guess I did not know where to go with this wide open statement.<br /><br />I mean it seems that you are happy to increase the rate in an open ended manner to bring in immigrant extended families no matter the impact it would have on individual existing American citizens. I agree that it is not a "zero sum game", however there are consequences that do need to be considered.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/unions-once-fought-immigration-limitations-changing" rel="nofollow">Another interesting piece</a><br /><br />Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8193628934721963907.post-7271037723211587382018-01-29T12:31:36.113-06:002018-01-29T12:31:36.113-06:00More Facts and Data
As for my straw man... "...<a href="https://cis.org/Report/RecordSetting-Decade-Immigration-20002010" rel="nofollow">More Facts and Data</a><br /><br />As for my straw man... "The White House proposal would limit family sponsorship to spouses and minor children, <b>eliminating a number of existing categories including adult children, both married and unmarried; parents of adult US citizens; and siblings of adult US citizens.</b>"<br /><br />What do you think the result of giving the extended families a step up on all other immigrants would lead to?<br /><br />In my wife's family there are 8 kids with 8 spouses with many siblings who have spouses and siblings and parents, etc, etc, etc. This "chain" / extended family immigration method is incredible. If you let one family immigrate, it can lead to hundreds each time.<br /><br />Is that really what is good for the challenged citizens of the USA?<br /><br />And as long as people are still struggling in Somalia, why wouldn't one invite their brother who then invite their wife's sister, etc, etc, etc.<br /> <br /><br />Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991027705809503541noreply@blogger.com