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To keep the RAS Forum on the screen, I'll give my thoughts in comments.
I think Romney won because this debate gave a large group of people a chance to see why the man was so successful in business and why he would make a very effective leader. And at the same time Obama just didn't seem at the top of his game for some reason.
I most appreciated when Romney raised my favorite point of contention with Obama's first term. Why did he spend all his energy during the first 2 years on Obamacare?
I also think the debate clearly defined the ideological divide, and choice the voters face.
If you want the Federal government to overwhelm and rule the state governments, local governments, businesses and people, vote for Obama.
If you want the Federal government to focus on national security, interstate commerce, etc while the state governments, local governments, businesses and people manage the details, vote for Romney.
Thoughts?
From a previous post, I had written:
"Are the Liberals out to fill their pockets by picking the pockets of the successful and wealthy while not earning their compensation?
Are the Conservatives out to fill their pockets by using what our society offers while not sharing enough gains to maintain that society?
Or do both think that what they are asking for is necessary to keep the USA strong, vibrant and successful?
Is it greed or something more?"
After watching the debates, I truly believe that Romney and Obama both believe that their philosophy is best for the long term success of the country. Amazing how their plans can be so different and yet their intent so similar.
And it all hinges on that one simple question: who can most effectively and fairly manage the chaos of life? The Federal Government or the States etal???
I thought his explanation of how he would pay for his tax cuts to the rich was illuminating.
--Hiram
Mitt Romney was successful in business because he was able to create Ponzi Schemes that provided wealth for himself and his partners while pretty much impoverishing everyone else.
--Hiram
I was hoping we had exhausted your Romney history comments. Oh well.. If he is experienced in Ponzi schemes, he should fit in very well in Government.
Tell us more about the "enlightened" comment. I am very interested to hear your perspective.
Mitt was unable in fact to explain how he would pay for his tax plan, the central element of his domestic plan. He, therefore, lost the debate.
--Hiram
What color is the sky in your world? We are in the minority with regard to voters who sweat the details. Most seem to just want someone who they like and offer them something. (ie money, benefits, tax cuts, hope, etc)
Thanks for your perspective though.
The details are that Mitt would raise your taxes to pay for the tax cuts he wants to extend to his wealthy, Boca Raton friends. It's not that complicated.
--Hiram
There seems to be agreement that Mitt "won" for whatever that is worth. He will likely make the race closer in the national polls and it is possible he could even take the lead in some, though I think that is unlikely.
Over the next few days there will likely be more scrutiny over his answers in the debate, like the lack of details in his tax plan, his claim that his health plan allow for coverage of pre existing conditions, and his plan to close the deficit through cutting programs such as PBS.
I think Obama is still clearly favored to win the contest that counts, which is the general election.
I love close races, just like I love close football games. This should get interesting.
I agree that it is likely that Obama will still win. I mean look at what he has to offer:
- Obama Bucks (per Pelosi welfare video)
- PBS funding
- Citizenship to border jumpers
- Reduced cost Healthcare for non-workers
-etc
The challenge of course is that us workers will have to pay for all of his generousity... Details, Details...
John,
I wouldn't yet characterize the race as close and people don't sort as neatly as you think into workers and freeloaders. The strib has a commentary piece today about No need to be heartless -- or clueless
I am betting it is closer than it was yesterday...
Don't be putting words in my comments... No where did I say "Freeloaders"... I noted that Obama is promising many things that could buy him votes.
Hispanic citizens may be happy that some illegals will get citizenship. Even though they or their parents violated our borders and budged in front of legal immigrants who were following due process. Still seems wrong to me.
PBS & NPR lovers will be happy to see tax dollars continue flowing to these entities. Beats me how this makes sense when there are 1000's of alternative media entities.
The free and reduced cost healthcare will be paid for by us that have money, jobs and health insurance. This is simply a fact, if you don't have these you can't pay the mandatory premiums, and someone has to make up the difference.
As for "Obama Bucks", those were the welfare guy's words. Obama Bucks Video - Pelosi
By the way did you read the original opinion piece also. It seems they both had good points.
I love FactChecker.org !!! It looks like both were being typical politicians... (ie lips moving)
FactChecker Debate Breakdown
I think Obama's most misleading statement is the $4 trillion in deficit reduction. I think Romney told more and bigger lies, of which I'll rate his tax cut plan as most misleading, as the numbers don't add up for making a 20% cut that is revenue neutral.
It does seem quite the stretch, unless our economy grows at like 6 per year. They noted that in the fact check piece.
Obama's biggest to me seems his "did not cut Medicare" comments. Here is a link about what worries me.
Forbes Obama Medicare
Technically the trust is still full, but if the care givers refuse treatment because the reimbursements are too low... Something will have to change...
Either the savings or the care won't be there... I am betting on the savings. Which means Obamacare bills will be more expensive than currently portrayed. And the trust fund will be depleted faster than currently stated.
Bummer
but if the care givers refuse treatment because the reimbursements are too low... Something will have to change...
We simply have to find different caregivers. That is, in fact, one thing we have to do, train more doctors and nurses, and probably attract more doctors and nurses from elsewhere.
One of the things I think you will find is that the caregiver refusal to perform services will lessen over time as caregivers change their business model.
--Hiram
Tell us more about where you think these new providers will come from if we are paying the industry less money?
What caliber of personnel will we attract?
And thoughts regarding the new business model?
Tell us more about where you think these new providers will come from if we are paying the industry less money
We pay vastly higher salaries to medical personnel than other countries. I think we should also open more medical schools. I think it's also the case that the way doctors practice is changing. More employee, fewer partnerships. Regrettably, we have a lot of doctors who are in it just for the money. No doubt they will be pursuing financial opportunities elsewhere.
I think we can attract a very high caliber of personnel. But the reality is the medical personnel we have now simply cannot meet the needs of our aging population. We have no choice but to expand.
--Hiram
Equals lower expectations and requirements?
The O campaign should have sent out the Empty Chair; I think it would have done better than the Empty Suit.
J. Ewing
That's kind of funny...
What did you think of Romney?
Romney appears to have won the debate but he is going to face alot of on going questions about the answers he gave.
Maybe your dumb jokes about Obama will help you cope when he wins a second term.
Well I hope both of them are a bit more Conservative with their outrageous comments next time...
Though I don't see that happening.
Laurie,
I assume you are seeing your candidate as honest, realistic, etc. And Mitt as lying, unrealistic, etc.
Do you really think that is what happened? Even after reading the factchecker views...
Two more questions. How will you cope if Romney pulls out a come from behind win? Will it really matter who wins if the Senate and House are still all tied up in knots?
I see Romney as more truth challenged than Obama. When NRO runs this No, Romney Didn’t Tell Lie after Lie in the Debate it makes me wonder if the Romney won by lying accusation, which is widespread on the left, will stick enough to make a difference.
I would be very disappointed with a Romney win, as in this unlikely event the GOP will also have won the house and senate. In such case we might have considerable gridlock if the senate dems make use of the filibuster the way the GOP has or the GOP might just change the senate rules. In any case a fair to large amt of the GOP agenda will be enacted which in my view will be detrimental to the country.
I have also read the the next president may name up to 4 justices to the supreme court which will have huge lasting consequences.
Link was a bit off but I found it.
Natl Review Romney Didn't Tell Lie afte Lie
I liked the FactChecker link. I thought they did a good job of explaining how each was in spin mode. The funny thing is that if 80% of the vote is already set, and if only 20% of the remaining 20% are actually looking into the details... Then only 4% will really look into what the truth is...
Obama: the one out of ideas.
Romney: I think someone reminded him that he's seen the Obama type many times in turning around businesses: all talk.
I think R-Five has the right take on it. Obama's one gift is the gift of gab; everything else in life has been handed to him, leaving him with an ego the size of a planet.
Laurie, I'm not worried if the Republicans win everything. It would be impossible to do worse than what we have now.
J. Ewing
Come to think of it, I was wrong. It WOULD be possible to do worse than we have now, If Obama is re-elected. Heck, I'm even worried about what this madman will do in the two months after his defeat and before Jan. 20. We already know he and his Democrat allies have locked the wheel and we WILL go over the "fiscal cliff" in January.
J. Ewing
I think there is only about 5% who are undecided at this time and one month is still too far out for them to make up their minds. How the other debates and the campaigns in general go during these last four weeks will be more important as I think few of them read fact checker columns.
I think Obama may be far enough ahead in the swing states for Romney to catch him.
J, How do you seem to continually forget that this problem all started with Bush II? Granted Obama has not made it better, but the GOP is not blameless here.
more empty chair humor
Not nearly as funny as J's comment.
I am sure most of them are innocent of the lynching intent, but I am sure there are some nuts out there.
I started laughing when I heard the story that "people kept messing with the chair and board, so they tied it up". I kept envisioning my Rush Limbaugh loving Mother out there with the ladder and rope grumbling about those darn Liberal kids.
I saw something strange the other day... Someone had been shredding "vote yes for the marriage amendment signs" on 49th ave. I am not used to that in lovely Plymouth. Must be a lot emotion tied up in the Nov vote.
To me the symbolism of hanging the Obama representing chair from a tree seems quite clear enough. It also seems that these people with their innocent intentions might choose to take the chair down when others point out how offensive this is.
Elections in this era of deep division do seem to bring out the worst in people. The other morning one neighbor called to my husband that Obama was going to kick ass in November, then another neighbor joined in with these friendly words "oh yeah , well somebody should shoot you and Obama, too"
As for me, so far I have resisted the urge to remove another neighbors sign about vote yes on voter ID. The only signs we have around about the mariage amendment are vote no. I went with the $1 dollar bumper sticker rather than the $10 dollar yard sign as I don't care if someone wants to scratch my banged up old car.
"How do you seem to continually forget that this problem all started with Bush II? Granted Obama has not made it better, but the GOP is not blameless here." -- John
I can agree that the GOP is not blameless, but if we were in a court of law I think the "joint and several liability" would be pretty lopsided. Remember that Democrats created the housing bubble. Remember that Democrats controlled Congress for the last two years of the Bush administration when this bubble finally burst. Remember that Democrats controlled both Congress and the White House for the first two years of the Obama administration when this problem should have been solved but was made many times worse instead. Remember that Obama has now increased our national debt more in his four years than George Bush did in eight years. And at the risk of being doubted on my facts, GW had the deficit on the decline until his last year in office.
The problem is the same from the White House all the way down to the school board, as has been pointed out in one of our previous exchanges. That is, that people in elective positions find it easier to say "yes" to spending decisions than to say "no." The only thing that constrains most of them is the legal or common sense constraint of being unable to spend more than one takes in. These constraints, unfortunately, do not apply to Congress. Can you give the credit to the GOP for, however weakly, pushing for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution?
J. Ewing
I give the GOP credit for many of the things they do, otherwise I wouldn't keep voting that way.
I somehow wish that us citizens could stop fighting and blaming each other (ie DFL & GOP), accept our role in the problem and start finding responsible politicians. I know, one of my more aggressive dreams.
More on that in last nights post.
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