VOX Students are waging war on sexist and racist school dress codes — and they’re winning Traditional dress codes punish marginalized students disproportionately, but this anti-racist, anti-sexist dress code could fix that.
Being a fan of school uniforms and / or dressing appropriately for the activity... I mean my weekend clothes are oil / paint stained, full of burn holes and very well worn. I love to wear them to my family's embarrassment. That does not mean that I should wear them to the office.
Why are these idiots spending energy on dress codes? Half the kids in inner city schools are FAILING ACADEMICALLY, and there answer is to let them dress for a nightclub, gang meeting or a yoga class?
I do feel for the kids when so many adults want to enable their feelings of freedom, instead of teaching them to become successful adults.
G2A Are Dress Codes Sexist?
Being a fan of school uniforms and / or dressing appropriately for the activity... I mean my weekend clothes are oil / paint stained, full of burn holes and very well worn. I love to wear them to my family's embarrassment. That does not mean that I should wear them to the office.
Why are these idiots spending energy on dress codes? Half the kids in inner city schools are FAILING ACADEMICALLY, and there answer is to let them dress for a nightclub, gang meeting or a yoga class?
I do feel for the kids when so many adults want to enable their feelings of freedom, instead of teaching them to become successful adults.
G2A Are Dress Codes Sexist?
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I would suggest that punishing black students for wearing their hair in braids ain't about making them successful adults, it's about marginalizing and shaming them based on who they are.
If you say so...
However I am going to stick with business casual is school appropriate.
Your privilege is showing.
Which "privilege" is that?
As I sit here in blue jeans and a polo short sleeve shirt...
I can't think of anything more durable, washable and cost effective...
Next week when customers are in... I will step it up to "dockers" and a polo short sleeve shirt...
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Or maybe you think these are more appropriate and conducive to learning?
"Which "privilege" is that?"
No one has ever told you that you have to chemically straighten your natural hair in order to be "acceptable", for instance.
Yes I agree that is unacceptable...
And I assume also very rare...
I would suggest you look at some of the links in the Vox piece.
I still think it is very rare.
"I still think it is very rare."
And nearly 3,000 people didn't diein PR in the six months after the hurricane. You fit right in with the rest of the Trumpers. Careful, people might think you ARE one.
Moose
Now that was a strange leap.
It seems that dress codes could lighten up on girls a bit as they are the ones who are most often found in violation.
It was very easy to send boys to high school in compliance with the dress code.
You mean it is hard to find tee shirts and jeans / dockers / conservative shorts for girls...
Three girls and we never had that problem... It was only when their skirts got a bit short that a discussion ensued....
Again... This a school, not a fashion show or yoga class...
"I still think it is very rare."
I would suggest it ain't that rare, because we've had multiple threads on this topic over the years.
"Now that was a strange leap."
Not a strange leap at all. A Trumper is quick to deny reality.
"I still think it is very rare." is a statement that denies reality.
Moose
Gentlemen,
Out of the many 10's of millions of students in our country's schools.
How many children do you think get in trouble for "crazy hair"?
Really?
Please remember that the ACLU and Liberal press like to ensure that every last person can do as they wish. My point again is that the goal of school is to ensure children learn academics and learn how to succeed in our society.
Most companies are not 1 foot afro friendly, time to buy some more ponytail holders.
By the way sitting at tennis yesterday I was looking for "crazy hair" kids...
I saw white, black, brown and other children and no 2 foot afros... Thank heavens.
"I saw white, black, brown and other children and no 2 foot afros... Thank heavens."
Why is that "Thank heavens"? Does natural black hair make you uncomfortable?
No. These look fine.
Busn Hair Styles for Black Women
Busn Hairstyles for Black Men
Now some of these are about style and have pretty much nothing to do with natural black hair...
Back in Feb 2012 we discussed Why Poor People are Poor. One reason I proposed is that they have chosen to rebel against the normal American dress and fashion codes.
The reality is most of us accept that how we appear to others is important.
Now I could fight this and get piercings, face tattoos, grow my hair, wear colored extensions, etc, etc, etc.
However I would need to accept the natural consequences of that choice...
So is it a businesses fault when they don't hire:
- goth girl
- low bottom pants boy
- or one of these unique individuals
My point again is that the goal of school is to ensure children learn academics and learn how to succeed in our society... :-)
First rule of holes is "stop digging".
Holes must also be in the eye of the beholder. :-)
So do you truly believe you are doing children a favor by allowing them to dress and appear very different from our country's normal conventions during school hours?
It looks like Robbinsdale schools has recently adopted the more relaxed dress code. Good thing my youngest only has ~8 months left.
I'll have to ask her if she has noticed a difference. :-)
"Our country's normal conventions" were defined by a very narrow set of citizens, namely white male Christians. Maybe the "normal conventions" aren't the ones we should be using going forward.
I would prefer that the schools focused on preparing young adults for our current world. Not some liberal utopia where general dress and appearance codes do not exist.
Do you ever wonder why many of the best performing schools have dress codes and/or uniforms?
"I would prefer that the schools focused on preparing young adults for our current world."
Donald Trump is President. I thought we were supposed to break down political correctness in all its forms.
"Do you ever wonder why many of the best performing schools have dress codes and/or uniforms?"
I would suggest that if you take uniforms out of the "best performing schools" that it would make minimal difference in the results.
It seems you do not believe in dressing for success...
I feel for the unlucky kids, they have bad role models and over sight at home... And you want to let their dysfunctions slide in school.
The good news is that they will be well out fitted for a future in being a gang member, hooker, ditch digger, baby mama, etc...
I think our current notion of "dress for success" is based on white, Anglo-Saxon Protestant principles, which works great for us, but excludes others. I think we as a society can accept a little bit of diversity. (I'm not arguing for anything goes, just some acknowledgment that other cultures have valid traditions of hair/clothing that should be "acceptable".)
I think you need to spend some more time in an inner city middle school if you think kids are severely limited in what they can wear and how they can appear.
The variety is extreme and we are opening the gate further. Back to the new RDale code, I feel for the staff trying to enforce this. My guess is that they give up and let the kids do as they wish.
The girls have telling me for years that there are hallways and bathrooms that they avoid because of the kids and activities that occur there.... And these are schools with only ~37% poverty... I can't even what it is like in really challenged schools.
One more perspective from the girls... They consistently felt that the girls like themselves were always held to a higher dress code standard because the staff knew the parents and kids would change / improve / conform...
The girls felt, and some staff confirmed, that often they let the unlucky kids get by with much more because the staff gave up or were concerned what the parent(s) may do to the child.
As I said before... "I feel for the unlucky kids, they have bad role models and over sight at home..." And Liberals expecting little from them in school...
For comparison see the District 112 Code Page 24.
Examples of prohibited attire include, but are not limited to, the following:
Bandanas of any color (exception: school-sanctioned dress-up days)
Chains extending beyond belt loop closest to pocket
Clothing or hairstyles depicting gang symbols, look-alike gang symbols or gang hand gestures, including do/doo rags or look-alike do/doo rags (Chaska Police defines do/doo rags as large scarves tied about the head)
Clothing showing belly buttons, bare midriffs, cleavage, or excessive underwear
Confederate flags
Halter tops, strapless tops, one-strap tops, bustiers
Hats, hoods worn up, scarves, visors: anything on the head (exceptions: head bands, yarmulkes, kufis, hijabs)
Items referring to alcohol, drugs, gangs, tobacco, or sex
Jeans with rips or openings between waist and lower thigh
Outer-wear jackets (exception: at the high school)
Roller blades, shoes with roller blades (Heelys) or skate boards
Spikes
Sunglasses (exception: outdoors)
"other cultures have valid traditions of hair/clothing "
I wonder which of those cultures value short shorts, hats, sun glasses inside, low riding pants, bustiers, spikes, etc?
You're now completely characterizing my argument and those in the original Vox article. No one is defending wearing gang clothing.
I would argue that if there are behaviors that need to be addressed, then address the behaviors, not the clothing worn by those who do bad things. There are plenty of people who do awful things while wearing business suits.
Actually I picked these items to make fun of.
"I wonder which of those cultures value short shorts, hats, sun glasses inside, low riding pants, bustiers, spikes, etc?"
Not gang clothing... It appears both of the above codes prohibit gang clothing. The biggest difference is that the new RDale code pretty much drops all the other requirements.
You said this a cultural issue... I am saying this is just kids wanting to rebel against normal dress / appearance norms.
Here is the RDale code for convenience...
B. Appropriate clothing includes, but is not limited to, the following:
1. Clothing appropriate for the weather.
2. Clothing that does not create a health or safety hazard.
3. Clothing appropriate for the activity (i.e., physical education or the classroom).
C. Inappropriate clothing includes, but is not limited to, the following:
1. Clothing that shows intimate parts.
2. Clothing bearing a message that is lewd, vulgar, or obscene.
3. Apparel promoting products or activities that are illegal for use by minors.
4. Objectionable emblems, badges, symbols, signs, words, objects or pictures on clothing or jewelry communicating a message that is racist, sexist, or otherwise
derogatory to a protected minority group, evidences gang membership or affiliation, or approves, or advances any form of religious, racial, or sexual harassment and/or violence against other individuals as defined in Policy 413.
5. Any apparel or footwear that would damage school property.
6. Masks, face paint or clothing that limits or prevents identification of a student.
7. Wearing clothing in a manner that displays undergarments.
D. The intention of this policy is not to abridge the rights of students to express political,
religious, philosophical, or similar opinions by wearing apparel on which such messages are stated. Such messages are acceptable as long as they are not lewd, vulgar,obscene, defamatory, profane, or do not advocate violence or harassment against others.
E. “Gang,” as defined in this policy, means any ongoing organization, association, or group of three or more persons, whether formal or informal, having as one of its primary activities the commission of one or more criminal acts, which has an identifiable name or identifying sign or symbol, and whose members individually or collectively engage in or whose members engaged in a pattern of criminal gang activity. “Pattern of gang activity” means the commission, attempt to commit, conspiring to commit, or solicitation of two or more criminal acts, provided the criminal acts were committed on separate dates or by two or more persons who are members of or belong to the same criminal street gang.
I love this one...
C. Inappropriate clothing includes, but is not limited to, the following:
1. Clothing that shows intimate parts.
I assume that means no penis hanging out?
But what about a man's nipples?
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