An interesting though rude quote from Winston Churchill. “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”
Now I am not trying to annoy my Democratic friends anymore than usual, and I promise to pick on the GOP folk soon. However I still want to understand why you think it is so hard for the Democrats to gain overwhelming support amongst the middle class voters. Why do they absolutely NEED the votes of the young, poor, infirm, etc?
If their policies make sense for the USA as a whole and are going to enable massive improvements in our country, why aren't the vast majority of typical middle class voters in their camp? Based on the data in this link, they should have a slam dunk...
I know the Pro Life / Pro Choice issue skews the vote. If it wasn't for that would the majority of American's vote Democrat? Thoughts?
G2A What Percent Are You?
By the way, this could get exciting yet !!!
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It's spurious quote. It's also anachronistic and too spot on. Churchill had Avery different idea of liberal and conservative.
--hiram
according to CNN exit polls Obama did well with all income groups in 2008. Because of the way the districts are drawn dems need to win by about 5% to regain the majority in the house
For Churchill, Liberal and Conservative were party names, not references to a political ideologies. That's why that quote which appears in various forms, always rings false. He was a member of the Conservative Party as his father had been in his early years, and then switched the the Liberal Party in which he served in governments through WW I. After the war, the Liberal Party simply collapsed, in large part because of it's perceived mismanagement of the war. Churchill who was involved in some of the most disastrous decisions of that war took part of the blame, and rightfully so. He left the failin Liberal Party, returned to the Tories, where he served in some governments, but was never really trusted. In many ways, the Tories never really trusted Winston again.
--Hiram
The poll results are interesting, especially the "Vote by Income and Race".
NYT Demographics and Shifts
"If their policies make sense for the USA as a whole and are going to enable massive improvements in our country, why aren't the vast majority of typical middle class voters in their camp?"
You've put your finger on the exact problem. What Democrats INTEND and what their policies inevitably produce are two different things, and hopefully the majority of middle class, thinking adults will recognize that by voting for somebody else.
J. Ewing
Just added another poll link to the post.
Apparently this quote has caused a lot of discussion. Here is a very interesting string.
FR Source of Quote
I don't see the data supporting your premise. That being said,"rely" is a curious word to use. You might turn it around. Why do the poor and non-white middle class rely on the Democrats? Similarly, why do the middle class vote against their own self-interest? "What Democrats INTEND and what their policies inevitably produce are two different things." Such as? Whereas one can say that what Republicans say they're going to do and what they actually want to do are entirely different things, such as securing the voting system, protecting marriage, and being "laser-focused" on jobs.
I have not provided much data in this case, however the DFL repeatedly says that the GOP is trying to prevent "these" groups from voting to "rig" the election. And they seem to be very concerned about it.
So apparently the DFL truly believes that they rely on "these" voter groups to win. Or are they just trying to make the GOP folk look like the villains for political gain?
As for the middle class voting against their own self interests, I think that is the crux of the question. Being human, they won't knowingly do that. So apparently they thing the DFL plan has some flaws.
So apparently the DFL truly believes that they rely on "these" voter groups to win.
Republicans truly believe this is as well, which is why they are trying to create barriers to voting by groups they know tend to vote DFL.
As for why the middle class votes against it's own interests, why many of them would vote for Mitt Romney whose economic plans would raise their taxes to pay for tax cuts for his wealthy friends, who knows? Maybe it's because Democrats stand up for "off the grid" people. People that Republicans don't like very much and who they feel shouldn't have the same rights as the rest of us.
--Hiram
Technically the GOP believes they should only have the same right as the rest of us... The right and responsibility to work hard, learn / improve, keep most of their private property (ie earnings), obey the law and improve their lives.
Technically the DFL thinks these folks should have more rights than most of us. They seem to believe law breakers should be rewarded with citizenship, all deserve Obama bucks no matter their level of effort (ie shelter, food, clothing, healthcare, education, etc) & that these additonal rights should be paid for by others...
That may be why a lot of the first group find it hard to buy the DFL plan.
Technically, the GOP believes they have a better chance of winning elections if they make certain segments of the population, the "off the grid" types get a card the rest of us don't need to vote. Technically, the GOP knows they can't impose poll taxes anymore, literacy tests anymore, property tests anymore, large southern sheriff accompanied by angry German Shepherds anymore, so they are giving this a try.
Not surprising from party, a significant number of whose members think the president was born in Kenya.
--Hiram
So you agree with the GOP then that the DFL relies on the uneducated and dependentdent voters to win then?
Back to the question then. Why are these voters absolutely required if their plan is so good?
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