Daunte Wright was by no means a peaceful innocent young man. I am not sure if that means he should have died after a traffic stop. However if you try to rob people at gun point, karma may catch up with you. And even so, many people are out there destroying their community and crying racism again instead of discussing the real problem. At least I have not heard anyone:
- asking what caused this innocent baby to develop into a gun toting thug?
- demanding that parent(s), the community, social services, schools, gangs, etc be held accountable?
No they go after the officer who had to deal with this criminal who was resisting arrest and likely to drive recklessly in doing so. Some Liberal folks on FB said that we should just let people like Daunte drive away if they chose to resist arrest. I disagree of course, since civil society relies on citizens following the rule of law and the police having the authority to ensure they do.
Thoughts?
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Just look at what happened in Hutchinson yesterday. White dude goes into a Menards, he assaults an employee who tries to enforce their mask mandate, rams a police car with his pickup truck, drives off with a police officer hanging out the window, hits said police officer with a hammer, yet at no time -- with this dude being an actual threat to officers -- is a shot fired. And we wonder why people of color in this community are mad?
Daunte Wright should have never been pulled over in the first place. Then, officers made the situation worse, and ultimately tragic through escalation. There was no need to tase him (shooting it into a car where there was a passenger, too), much less shoot him. Should they have let him go? Yeah. They had his address, they knew what car he was in. It would have been easy to let him go, notify other units, and pick him up later.
The officer has to be held accountable for her blunder, just as plenty of black folks have paid a lifelong price for smoking a joint, or driving with a tail light out, or playing with a toy gun in a park.
Well said, Sean.
I also wonder what drugs were in the cop's system. Nobody is asking the question. I wonder why.
Moose
Yes I understand that you are happy to allow violence to continue within certain parts of the metro. Hopefully the justice systems works and she walks free for a her part in a tragic accident.
"Under Minnesota law, someone is guilty of second-degree manslaughter if that person causes the death of another through "culpable negligence" and "creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another." The charge carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison and a $20,000 fine."
Just let the guy charged with aggravated 1st degree robbery with a weapon drive away and hope his arrest goes better the next time?
Why do you think it would be safer arresting him at home?
More regarding his criminal background
I think attempting to taser this nut case would have been a good idea also
"she walks free for a her part in a tragic accident"
That's insane. None of us would get that benefit of the doubt were we to accidentally kill someone. The officer had a duty to know what weapon she was holding in her hand when she pulled the trigger.
I am pretty sure at least one of the 12 jurors will disagree with you, hopefully more than 1.
Her job was to arrest a wanted criminal, most of us do not have that responsibility and authority. And it is pretty obvious that she consciously thought she had the taser in her hand until it was fired.
"Her job was to arrest a wanted criminal"
His warrant was for a gross misdemeanor, not the robbery charge.
"And it is pretty obvious that she consciously thought she had the taser in her hand until it was fired."
The officer had a duty to know what weapon she was holding in her hand when she pulled the trigger. This not an "oopsie!" situation.
I sure am happy you are not my boss when I make a mistake at work.
Are you supportive of throwing the parent(s) and teachers who failed to teach this delinquent?
They had a duty and obviously failed.
"I sure am happy you are not my boss when I make a mistake at work."
Have you ever made a mistake at work that resulted in someone's death?
If I had... I am pretty sure I would never go to jail...
Unless it was grossly negligent and with some proven conscious intent.
The corporate and civil liability systems usually handle accidents / errors.
It seems that the only people liberals want to hold accountable are police officers. :-(
I wonder how many people ever go to jail for:
- falling asleep while driving and crossing the centerline?
- losing their trailer because they did not hook up the chains correctly?
- things falling out of their truck and killing someone?
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Why do the police so often choose to draw their weapon when interacting with a black man?
Raw Data: Here’s How Often Police Pull a Gun on Black and White Men
Because Black men participate in more gangs, crime, etc.
"In 2018, based on data from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, black people
were overrepresented among persons arrested for nonfatal violent crimes (33%) and for serious nonfatal violent crimes (36%) relative to their representation in the U.S. population (13%) (table 1).
White people were underrepresented. White people accounted for 60% of U.S. residents but 46% of all persons arrested for rape, robbery, aggravated assault, and other assault,
and 39% of all arrestees for nonfatal violent crimes excluding other assault.
Hispanics, regardless of their race, were overrepresented among arrestees for nonfatal violent crimes excluding other assault (21%) relative to their representation in the U.S. population (18%)."
And I am sure it does not help that the kids are trained / conditioned from an early age that they are "victims" and the officers are their "oppressors".
Just imagine how that drives the dynamic...
Here is another interesting made up theory...
Where do the most police work?
Where do the most Black people live?
Where are the most violent crimes committed?
Certainly not in my home town of Canby MN...
So I assume most people are pulled over / stopped in urban high crime areas...
And those officers are unlikely to take any chances...
As I often say. I am happy I do not live where they need a gun shot monitoring system.
The key is just to avoid places where people typically get shot. A small price to pay for the right to bear arms.
--Hiram
Makes sense to me...
I'll just leave this here:
Taking cops out of traffic stops: Would it make a difference? North Carolina examples offer a clue
It seems a promising idea, however it leaves me wondering how do we enforce things like current tabs, insurance requirements, working lights, etc?
Do we go back to yearly vehicle inspections?
"He thinks stopping a driver because of a broken taillight or equipment violation does little for safety."
"Black drivers in America have long complained about how often they get stopped for petty traffic or equipment violations — failure to signal, broken license plate light, or other technical violations all which have little to do with traffic safety. Baumgartner says focusing enforcement efforts on actual safety-related violations will build trust between the police and residents.
“It will have a big impact on poor people. It will have big impact on people who drive older cars, and it will have a very big impact on Black and Hispanic drivers, because if they knew that they were only going to get pulled over for running through a stop sign or excessive speeding, they will feel much more confident that they could be treated fairly by their police,” he added. "
"however it leaves me wondering how do we enforce things like current tabs, insurance requirements, working lights, etc?"
For tabs, consider property tax as an example. We don't put a sign in front of our house and place stickers on it twice a year and then have people drive around and give you tickets for non-payment.
Insurance requirements don't get called into question until you need it -- if you get in an accident and don't have it, you risk a citation and fine. That's really the same as today -- an officer only finds that out in the context of something else happening.
Working lights gets enforced when it becomes a safety issue -- no headlights operative, no tailights operative, turn signals not operative.
Property tax is paid every year, whether you live their or not.
Car tabs are only paid when they are operating on public roads.
That is why we have tabs and your good idea will not work.
Or maybe we make people pay tabs on all vehicles in their name, whether operating or sitting in the shed?
Proof of insurance and Registration is often checked during normal traffic stops. That is why you need to have that card in your car. Or maybe we force all owners to keep all vehicles insured at all times?
I assume failed brake lights, head lights, etc are the primary reasons for fix it tickets and warnings. If people are poor, stressed and own old cars, these are the things that are likely over looked.
Thankfully Valvoline Instant Oil change checks my bulbs regularly. :-)
"That is why we have tabs and your good idea will not work."
There are plenty of ways to make it workable. You're just not interested in finding ways to make it work.
"Proof of insurance and Registration is often checked during normal traffic stops."
Yes. We'd just be reducing the number of things that would trigger a traffic stop.
"If people are poor, stressed and own old cars, these are the things that are likely over looked."
And if you're black, they're used as a pretext to pull you over.
I think we could stop police / citizen interactions by enforcing any of our laws or regulations. Does that really make sense to you?
Other than license tabs, how would you ensure the owner had current registration?
Or auditing to ensure people had adequate insurance?
I assume bad lights can get anyone pulled over.
Why do you want to think the worst of our police officers?
I just do not understand...
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