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22 comments:
I'd like to see the GOP get rid of the filibuster (and Dems should help if it comes up for a vote.) That would be the best end to the shut down.
From the news I have seen about a possible negotiated end to the shutdown is some Dems might cave and get basically nothing in return for their holding out for 6 weeks. Laurie
Trump doesn't learn from reality, he imposes his reality. For some reason, this works for him. Unlike Nero, if Trump fiddled while Rome burned his polling numbers would remain the same. This immunity from truth, unfortunately for his supporters, does not extend to other Republicans. The paleness of those who compare themselves to Trump is only too apparent.--Hiram
The point of the senate is that it is unrepresentative. The purpose of the senate is to insulate the federal government from the pressure of voter expectations. It's job isn't to do things, it is to prevent the doing of things. All those things being the case, the filibuster is an incredibly useful tool in achieving the Senate's central mission of rendering government ineffective.--Hiram
I think I disagree here. I think the fillibuster is good and should be maintained.
Otherwise government policy will be like a game of ping pong and citizens / businesses will deal with endless uncertainty.
In general, the Democratic Party is the party that wants to do something, and the Republican Party is the party that wants to prevent things from being done. Conservatives want to keep things the same, Liberals want to change things. If those broad assumptions are correct, then those who oppose change, Republicans and conservatives would be more inclined to favor the filibuster, and the Democrats and conservatives would be inclined to favor its elimination. That helps to explain why Republicans in the senate who give Trump everything, resist giving him this. They know without saying that they were there long before Trump came to Washington and will be there long after he leaves.==Hiram
But I also think the discussion about the filibuster is irrelevant the broader political realities. After ceding power to the executive, I don't see a way that the legislative and judicial branches have any way to get it back. We may hope to stay a two party state, but from here on out, I expect we will remain a one branch government.--Hiram
Getting anything done in Congress requires getting rid of the filibuster. I don't think there is much to worry about that the Dems will go too far with their policies. There are a lot of moderate dems and only moderate policies will be able to get 50 votes. Getting something done is WAY better than getting nothing done. I do worry, a little, about policies the GOP would pass, as they are more extreme and often vote as a united block, but I am willing to take that chance. Laurie
What I'd really prefer is to end the shutdown with some meaningless compromise and keep the filibuster and for Dems to vote to get rid of it after they win in 2026. But Dems are too moderate to vote as a unanimous majority to get rid of it. Also, at this point I don't expect fair elections in 2026, especially if GOP gets rid of the filibuster. Laurie
If we elect Democrats, Democrats will do things. And really do we need things to be done? For many Republicans, things are fine just the way they are. Elon Musk just made a cool trillion. Pretty good for a barely legal immigrant who sought sanctuary in America from his tormented homeland.--Hiram
I think you areboth drinking too much of the "DEMs good and accepting of their moderate members kool aid"... They are hanging together pretty good on the shutdown thing.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/hakeem_jeffries/412561
And remember the shut down is an effort to stop change that the GOP passed...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Big_Beautiful_Bill_Act
So do you think the Dems should offer no resistance for another year as Trump destroys the country? I have actually been surprised that the Dems have stuck together for this 6 week shut down. How do you think it will end or what would you prefer? Laurie
I think it is a question of what we can do and what we should do, and of the tendencies of the two parties. What I have talked about are general dynamics between the two parties, that Democrats want to do things and Republicans want to prevent things from being done. This isn't always true of course. Republicans are in favor of tax cuts for example, and as we see, the position on the filibuster changes. But to the broader point, despite the fact that the filibuster is now being used against them, Republicans oppose it's elimination because they understand that the tool is mostly beneficial to them, and they will need it long after long after Trump is gone.--Hiram
In a democracy, sometimes my guys win, and they get to set policy, and sometimes my guys lose and the other guys get to set policy. How can that ever not be a game of ping pong? Well, it can not be a game of ping pong when the laws are respected. When the laws enacted when one party is in power are followed when the other party is in power. It doesn't happen when the courts enforce the law without fear. It doesn't happen when decisions are made, and not clawed back simply because there is a change in majorities. But those are not the conditions we have today, that is not the way we live now.==Hiram
I am fine with the DEMs fighting back, but I am not sure that health insurance entitlements was the hill for them to die on. My company and I pay for my families health insurance, not sure why I should help pay for the insurance for 20 million others?
I have a friend who is on MNSure, he is ~63 and has $0 premiums because he retired and is living on savings. Apparently the silly program does take into account his net worth... Only his taxable income. :-O
I hope that both sides compromise and stop playing to their fringes. Unfortunately that seems unlikely.
Yes. The DEMs dream of pulling us out to sea...
https://give2attain.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-left-keeps-pulling-on-boat.html
And GOP resists their current.
I agree that a wealthy retiree should contribute to his health care premium even if his income is zero. I plan on working to 65, mainly to get insurance, as I believe my recent income would prevent me from getting subsidies (which are going away.) When you dislike both parties who do you vote for? Did you vote for Harris? What if you could vote between Harris and Trump today? Laurie
I plugged my nose and voted for Biden and then Harris. :-)
Its clear to me the GOP and Dems will not reach a compromise on Obamacare subsidies so the shut won will end by eliminating the filibuster or Dems caving ( accepting some small concession). I think it will be Dems caving. (maybe they would accept some HSA subsidies, but I don't think so. ) Laurie
The Deal?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-reaches-deal-on-ending-the-shutdown/ar-AA1Q6Hz0
Deal 2
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-democrats-republicans-reach-deal-to-reopen-government/ar-AA1Q6mJr
I think the dems did the right thing by voting to end the shutdown. Its like the Kenny Rogers song- you got to know when to hold em , know when to fold em..... Laurie
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