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Fow News: Feds Thrive with NO Collective Bargaining
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So which specific points in this article were new and fascinating to you? I got past my initial discounting reaction (oh- Fox news)and read the piece and found nothing surprising in it.
My thoughts are that unions will continue to lose power; the question is how fast. And that regular working people, striving to maintain a comfortable lifestyle, are going to need some other way of organizing to have influence with our elected leaders.
Also, maybe federal workers will wish they had been paying union dues that help elect more democrats, as their pay and benefits may be on the chopping block, too. I have a family member, a long time fed. employee, who is a bit nervous that his soon to be collected generous pension could take a hit.
"could take a hit"... Welcome to the Private sector taxpayer's reality...
So, if you knew all this and the Federal employees are doing good without collective bargaining and mandatory dues... Why such a ruckus at the state level?
And you do realize that state and fed employees can donate to Democrats without doing it through mandatory dues... So why should the Democrat's funding shrink, just because the Unions don't have forcefully collected dues?
Unless you think many of the State and Fed employees don't want to give their money to Democratic candidates??? Now that is an interesting concept.
By the way, since I am warning about bias. Did the FOX info seem accurate and complete? If not, what are they missing or misrepresenting?
While I did know much of what was in your (unbiased) linked article, it did cause me to think about things more, especially along with the questions you posed.
About why the ruckus over saving public unions; for me it is about decent pay, but even more about reasonable job security. Most of the people I know of who have been terminated for (supposed) performance reasons have been teachers. Some have been in traditional unionized districts before they were tenured, others from charters where it is "at will employment." In MN there is an abundance of teachers in some areas (elem ed) and we are easily replaced. If I am out for the day or let go someone is ready and waiting to step into my job and do it well.
Fed. employees seem to have a sweet deal; all the benefits of a union (good pay and benefits, job security) without having to pay union dues.
The reason I have made it out to participate in three pro union demonstrations is I see this as a a coordinated power play by
the GOP to weaken their democratic opponents (some of whom, like Gov. Dayton, were able to win a tight race with the help of unions.) Union members should be able to give to whatever candidates they want, including none. I believe that they have the option of paying a lesser amount to their union, to cover the cost of contract negotiations and can opt out of parts that go for other things (not clear on the details on this.)
Lastly, I join the demonstrations because I consider them fun; reading the clever signs, talking with people, joining in on some chants. I went several times to St. Paul a couple of summers ago, when the GOP was in town. The best protests I have been to were against the Iraq war back in 2003.
I am not sure if FOX is unbiased or not, that's why I was wondering if you saw any errors or omissions in the article.
Trust but verify ??? It seemed to me there were few assumptions or judgements required to make their statements. (ie just the way it is today)
The only statement that seemed suspect to me was "The lack of collective bargaining power hasn’t put much of a damper on federal compensation. Federal workers out-earned their private-sector counterparts in the same jobs by an average of more than $7,000 according to a USA Today report. And on benefits, federal workers brought in, on average, over $30,000 more than those not employed by the feds -- $40,785 vs. $9,882."
I get jittery when claims like this are made since it is so hard to compare apples to apples. (as discussed previously) The upside was the claim was made by USA Today, which I don't think is considered to be as biased as some think FOX is.
-more about why the big ruckus over "union busting," From today's New York Times:
"...unions play another role, too - one more like that of civic groups than private associations. Although they want "more" for their members, they also want to make good middle-class jobs the norm. And the most important way they pursue this larger goal isn't by demanding concessions at the bargaining table, but by operating as a counterweight to the demands of corporations and Wall Street in the corridors of power. That is precisely why opponents of organized labor are seizing upon state fiscal troubles to try to destroy its remaining clout."
So what do you think about the growing and unlimited amounts of corporate, union and interst group $ influencing the outcome of elections since the Citizens United decision? See Washington Post The three unions combined spend less than the Chamber of Commerce. And most of the other big ones support the GOP as well.
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