Sunday, March 11, 2018

VOX Teacher Pay

VOX Your State's Teachers are Underpaid, See How Much


This is an interesting piece, however I have not been able to determine which inflation rate they have chosen to use.  The normal CPI Inflation Measure, GPI Inflation Indicator or something else.


Just a note.  The comments at Minnpost White Progressives are on going.

3 comments:

John said...

From MP Stop Crying

"The impulse to characterize all human endeavors, or even most human endeavors as some form of commerce or retail transaction is a dysfunctional impulse that typically produces dysfunctional responses. To the extent that we've had these enduring problems with our education system it's the result of that dysfunctional response the problem. Education is not a retail transaction, and public education is not a form of commerce.

The attempt to blame dedicated and professional educators for the "failues" of the education system, much less large class sizes; is a specious analysis that flows out of the very dysfunctional impulse we've been discussing. These attacks on teacher compensation, benefits, and job security are simply a simply anti labor features of a capitalism's ubiquitous and ongoing drive to suppress wages. The prominent feature of retail models of education is that customers in retail environments always want to pay less for their purchase while demanding better quality merchandise. The idea that lower wages, fewer benefits, and more job insecurity will produce better teachers and improved educational outcomes is a consumer fantasy, born of a dysfunctional impulse, it's literally magical thinking.

Historically humans improve their situations by studying problems and making intelligent observations. Those observations are used to construct intelligent and informed responses or solutions. Typically we identify problems and then enlist intelligent people who know they're doing and we build solutions. That's how we got to the moon for instance with NASA. THAT'S how we will improve our education system if and when we ever get around to actually trying to improve it rather than busting unions, re-imagining our schools as entrepreneurial laboratories, treating schools as battle grounds for culture wars, and whining about taxes. I think we'll amazed at how much easier it will be to improve education once we stop doing everything an anything other than trying to improve education, as means of improving education."Paul


"The financial exchange here seems pretty undeniable.

- The government takes money from Tax Payers.

- The government hires education, social service and many other individuals to help our young citizens develop and learn.

- The Public Employee Unions collective bargain to raise the compensation, benefits and job security of their "tenured employees" .

- Unfortunately many of or young individuals are not achieving society's stated goals.

Now I have great respect for most of the individuals who work to help and develop these young people. I do not blame them personally for the failure of the system to deliver the results we all desire. And I believe our society should work harder to hold Parents accountable.

For decades we tried your positive thinking will yield results method and the unlucky kids still suffered. Now it is time for some measuring and accountability.

By the way, I am happy to pay more for quality and performance. What will it take to have no child left behind in 5 years? How will we hold the people promising this accountable?" G2A

Laurie said...

some children, like the ones I teach, are going to have low achievement no matter how much money is spent. I think it makes sense to think of ablility to achieve academically as a spectrum. The special ed kids I teach are at the low achievement end of the spectrum but there are many students not labeled spec ed that are not that different from the spec ed students and would have difficulty making big gains even with 1:1 instruction.

about teacher pay- my younger son has a job lined up after he graduates this spring making 10% than I do after 20 years of teaching.

John said...

Laurie,
As you know, I understand that some children will not be able to attain the base threshold of academic capability due to limited physiological / cognitive capabilities.

Will your son be able gain tenure and a very very high level of job security?

Will your son have summers off?

Or will he be required to work 12 months a year and have no promise of having a job next month?