Monday, November 11, 2019

SCOTUS Hears DACA

NYT How the Trump Administration Eroded Its Own Legal Case on DACA

FOX DACA lands before Supreme Court: Showdown over Trump bid to end ‘Dreamer’ program

It will be interesting to see how SCOTUS rules.  It is too bad that Trump did not take the "Wall Money for Dreamers" deal when it was on the table.

11 comments:

jerrye92002 said...

As usual, your recollection is faulty. TRUMP offered the "wall money for (twice the) Dreamers" and the Democrats refused.

John said...

Per the sources I have provided, Trump wanted far more than the wall money...

He wanted to totally change the immigration criteria, number of immigrants allowed, etc.

Trump may have been able to get a deal, but then the Far Right immigration hardliners rebelled and he fell back in line.

John said...

Do you have a different source that I should review?

John said...

VOX Interesting Piece

NPR Search for Common Ground

jerrye92002 said...

How about CNBC? CNBC

John said...

Jerry,
As I noted above, Trump had a brief moment where he considered a deal. And then the Conservatives balked and he caved. Your commentary piece was dated 26Jan18, right before the cave...

The writer saw the future...

"President Trump's DACA immigration offer massively expands the number of so-called Dreamers who will get amnesty and citizenship.

If the Democrats accept the deal, it would intensify the rift between right wing Republicans, who are angry about the offer, and the president."

Trump just could not bear the stress of annoying his "no path to citizenship" supporters.

This piece was from about 2 weeks later.

John said...

A Politico summary from 16Feb18.

jerrye92002 said...

Trump offered the deal. It supposedly offended conservatives, but it was Democrats who outright rejected it. Now the argument is whether Obama's illegal executive order, going around Congressional purview, should be allowed to stand because Trump's Executive action to correct it was opposed when submitted to Congress, as Obama should have done.

John said...

I think you are missing the point. Trump snatched the potential deal off the table when the Far Right balked at him offering the DACA folks a path to citizenship.

Which of course has to be part of the deal or we would leave these kids in a permanent uncertain state.

I think Trump's silly executive action to undo Obama's potential over reach is unpopular with the majority of voters. So Trump bringing this to SCOTUS may harm him and the other GOP candidates next November.

"Broad public support for path to legal status for undocumented immigrants. Nearly three-quarters of Americans (72%) say undocumented immigrants should be allowed to stay in the U.S. legally if certain conditions are met. This is a modest decline from 77% in March 2017, with most of the change occurring among Republicans.

Most Americans say people who are in the U.S. illegally are no more likely than citizens to commit serious crimes. Nearly seven-in-ten (69%) say this. Large majorities also say undocumented immigrants mostly fill the jobs that American citizens don’t want (77%) and are as honest and hardworking as American citizens (73%)."

jerrye92002 said...

Ah, so public opinion--the opinion of the uninformed-- is now not only unalloyed truth but black letter law? Have you forgotten that Trump WANTS these "dreamers" (for the most part) to stay, that Obama did it the wrong way, that Trump tried to do it the right way, and finally had to follow the law as written? You know, if I didn't know better, I would think your belief system was that everything Trump does is not only wrong, but done for the wrong reasons. Do I know better?

John said...

The reality is that Trump did and does want to use the Dreamers as leverage to try and force the DEMs to swallow his far right immigration plan. I mean it seems like a sound strategy...

Except that apparently according to the law, the government must show a good reason for changing policy if that change will harm hundreds of thousands of people.

I am fascinated to see how SCOTUS rules.


The GOP under Trump has a significant short coming... They have no real plans on the table.

They just keep saying that we will figure it out after the Dreamers lose their current rights, as the ACA customers lose their healthcare, etc.

If they want to win in 2020, I think they had better figure out some acceptable solutions. Remember that Clinton got most of the votes in 2016 and the DEMs got most of them in 2018.

I have not seen Trump or the GOP doing anything to gain popularity...