Thursday, August 17, 2017

Harris Charlottesville Poll

WNYC Harris Charlottesville Poll


"Nearly half of all Americans (46 percent) believe both sides are to the blame for violence in Charlottesville (vs. 39 percent who blame the white nationalists alone), lending credence to President Trump’s assertions this week. "


"The majority of Americans (54 percent) are either ‘not at all or not very satisfied' with how President Trump has responded to the Charlottesville protest. And 63 percent of Americans think The President should condemn white nationalists and other hate groups (among whites, 59% agree). And three-quarters of Americans believe the killing of Heather Heyer is an act of domestic terrorism."


Overall these results make sense to me...  Though it seems to me that:
  • Trump did condemn the White Nationalists on Monday.  Though he sent a mixed message on Tuesday when he tried to explain that both sides contributed to the violence and broke laws.
  • I am still on the fence regarding if the car incident was domestic terrorism or if the guy just lost it.  (terrorism defined: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.)
Thoughts?

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

In his comments about Pershing, we have a president who speaks approvingly of an atrocity and a war crime. Yes, there is guilt on many sides. There is guilt on the side that put him in office, and there is guilt on the side that wasn't able to stop it from happening.

--Hiram

jerrye92002 said...

I will say it again:

And something else... What the heck difference does it make what Trump does or says, within some wide bounds of propriety? This was a mob on one side and a mob on the other side and one of them chose to try to kill people. Anything that went "wrong" here is entirely the fault of the people involved, and even without regard to their intentions in being there. There were "innocent bystanders" whose motives were pure, but SOMEBODY drove that car, and SOMEBODY hit somebody else, with a sign or fist or club. Those are the people who need to be pilloried in the press, not "some guy" 100s of miles away who at most saw it on TV.

And while it might be interesting, even modestly important, to know who on which side "threw the first punch," what I would really like to know is who, on which side, came there with the INTENT to throw a punch?

Anonymous said...

Trump's words and ultimately his election validated what Hillary called the deplorables. We are seeing and living with the consequences of the choice we made now.

--Hiram

jerrye92002 said...

Thanks for calling 50% of Americans Nazis, haters and deplorables. May I assume you put yourself in the other 50%? Isn't that sort of stereotyping?

Anonymous said...

Thanks for calling 50% of Americans Nazis, haters and deplorables.

Well fellow travelers at least. People knew what Trump was when they voted for him.

--Hiram

jerrye92002 said...

Your problem is that what "everybody that voted for him knew" was somehow contrary to what YOU knew, and seemingly remains so.

You are still accusing 50% of the population of marching with Nazis and therefore being Nazis, when it is not only physically impossible, but exceedingly broad-brush slander. Or it is guilt by association when there is no association whatsoever.

Anonymous said...

Your problem is that what "everybody that voted for him knew" was somehow contrary to what YOU knew

Sadly, the world is not all about me.

--Hiram

jerrye92002 said...

Don't be sad. I've known you to be right on occasion. :-) Just not in this case. What's the saying, "50 million Frenchmen can't be wrong"?