Sunday, October 9, 2016

Clinton Enabled Sexual Assault?

Now does Hillary really seem like the "defender of women" after hearing how she terrorized these women who threatened the political futures of Bill and herself.  Now why do Hillary supporters who would usually support sex abuse victims choose to ignore these voices?

CNN Hillary the Enabler
TownHall Trump News Conference

"Sitting at a table with Trump, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broaddrick and Kathy Shelton introduced themselves one by one and explained why they are voting for the candidate. As a refresher, Jones accused Clinton of flashing him at the White House. Broaddrick accused Clinton of raping her and Willey accused the former President of aggressively groping her. All of them say Hillary Clinton threatened them after the incidents about remaining quiet and not causing problems.

"Mr. Trump may have said some bad words, but Bill Clinton raped me and Hillary Clinton threatened me. I don't think there's anything worse," Broaddrick said. "


Laurie said...

I think another break from your blog is likely, as your recents topics, headlines, comments are either ridiculous or aggravating and sometimes both.

Here is a link I came across this morning. It didn't interest me enough to read it, but it might bring some perspective to your hatred for Hillary

A guide to the allegations of Bill Clinton’s womanizing

Anonymous said...

I don't know if it is appropriate use of dime store psychology to blame a wife for a husband's failings.


John said...

I don't think Bill's misbehaviors are relevant to this election, however I think that Hillary's reactions are very relevant. She has a husband who apparently behaved badly with women on multiple occasions. I don't think anyone questions this.

And instead of being supportive of the women and kicking her husband's ass!!! Hillary repeatedly went after the women and threatened them to keep quiet, and/or called them derogatory names.

That is what the victim's of Bill's indiscretions have been saying for decades. So are you going to believe the women who feel wronged / harassed, or the person /people who supposedly did the harassing?

Now if it had been Donald and Melania who were accused of this same thing, you would be the folks handing out the pitchforks and torches. However since it is your candidate you have chosen to call the victims liars.

I just find it hypocritical.

Anonymous said...


If you felt your wife was falsely accused of something, would you support your wife or her accusers?


John said...

And before you say I am supporting Trump... He is an immature crude man... But which is worse? An immature crude man or a woman who attacks women that accuse her husband?

I would say they are similar in severity. So we are back to making the vote based on policies.

WT Clinton Blackmails Accusers

John said...

Fool me once, shame on you...
Fool me twice, shame on me...

I truly understand that the first time she should have "stood by her man" and trusted him. But let's remember that per Laurie's source, this was for the most part an open marriage. Bill had many women on the side.

After awhile a normal wife would have divorced him or said... Yes we have an open marriage and my husband is a "horn dog" who lets his joystick think for him at times... Not attack the women...

Anonymous said...

I don't think Bill's misbehaviors are relevant to this election, however I think that Hillary's reactions are very relevant.

Hillary did not view the women her husband was involved with favorably. Was Ivanka Trump really a fan of Marla big Maples?

That a thrice married, piggish serial philanderer is critical of a wronged spouse's behavior toward her husband's various mistresses, is a level of hypocrisy not previously reached in American politics. What is Donald's argument here really? That Hillary has stayed married to a guy too much like himself?

After years of being lectured by Republicans about how awful Bill Clinton is, how can they now say we should elect someone just like him?


John said...

I think the argument goes that "both of us are human, have history and questionable characters"...

"Therefore let's focus on the policies we support and stop wasting the Voter's time with these side topics."

John said...

I am kind of hoping that some of the Republicans will simply come out and say... "Yes Trump could be a character from Mad Men, but he is the Guy who has the winning policy proposals."

All this apologizing for and distancing themselves from is silly.

John said...

And hopefully the GOP learns something from this experience and adjusts their process to ensure it does not happen again.

Sean said...

"I think I like Paul Ryan's pragmatic answer... "

Since when was "pragmatic" a synonym for "gutless" and "craven"?

Poor Ted Cruz. If only he had kept his yap shut for a couple of weeks, he could have emerged from this smelling like a rose. Now Republicans are stuck with Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush as the only two party leaders who have seen Trump for what he is since the beginning and called him on it.

John said...

Now as I keep saying, neither of these candidates are people who should make us proud Americans. So I see staying focused on the candidate who professes to support the policies one likes is likely the best we will get this time around. This is being pragmatic.

We the people are going to have to select one of these 2 slugs for better or worse. And voting for the one who wants to take the country in the opposite direction from one's beliefs would make no sense.

Laurie said...

you know so many people are able to see that Trump is the worst presidential candiate ever, totally unfit for office - The 150 top Republicans (and counting) who won’t support Donald Trump for president -- it is really fascinating as to why it is so hard for you to see this.

Trump and Hillary are no where near equally bad.

John said...

So let's just assume that the victims of Bill's sexual escapades are telling the truth. That Hillary worked hard to blackmail or demean them into not reporting the harassment.

I mean there is the very real possibility that Bill and her are in a "political marriage". And that Hillary saw any female victim as a threat to Bill and her political plans. I mean why else would any wife put up with his decades of side action?

Are you really okay with her consciously attacking the women that had been "assaulted" by her husband?

Do you truly think this is less bad than the obnoxious braggart?

Now I whole heartedly agree that Trump is not a good option, but I sure don't buy Hillary's white as snow caring public servant routine.

Do you?

John said...

By the way, though my Parents are disgusted by Trump's "Sex talk", they are more disgusted by Hillary's "Socialist talk"... So I know how they will be voting...

The good news is they are now residents of SD, so their vote may count for something.

Laurie said...

I barely even skim read any comments you make about Hillary. Maybe you should write a post about the turmoil going on in the GOP. I think this is getting much more attention in the news than anything related to Hillary attacking women. In fact, I have not seen even one article or opinion piece about Hillary enabling Bill's affairs.

We could be reading about the trouble in the GOP for many weeks or even years.

Paul Ryan won’t defend or campaign for Trump ahead of election

John said...

So does this mean that you think the women that Bill assaulted and/or had sexual encounters with are lying about Hillary's abusive actions towards them?

And by the way, your ignoring and rationalizing away comments regarding Hillary is exactly why you think she is such a "nice trustable person".

The good news is that it makes you normal. We often block out things that do not support our view of reality.

The good news of my being indifferent to these 2 bozo's is that I am happy reading and considering both sides.

Laurie said...

mostly I don't think about this issue at all. I don't know why I took two minutes to look this up for you but here it is:

Trump says Clinton viciously attacked those who charged abuse by Bill

mostly false

I did spend an additional minute to see if the msm is writing about this today. Looks to me like they are not.

Also, I don't want to read any more comments from you on this dumb topic, so don't bother to reply.

John said...

No comments then.

WT Hillary Attacks

The Stories from the Mistresses

NYT How Hillary Grappled

Sean said...

"And that Hillary saw any female victim as a threat to Bill and her political plans. I mean why else would any wife put up with his decades of side action?"

If Hillary Clinton was able to plan a route to the Presidency of the United States 40 years ago that included decades in Arkansas of all places, then she deserves to be elected just on the basis of making that happen.

I don't know what goes on behind closed doors in the Clinton's marriage and I don't care. Neither should you. If they're happy and found a way to stay together, good for them (isn't that what couples are supposed to do?).

John said...

Have you watched the first season of the House of Cards?

Personally I do not care if they have an open marriage and are swingers. If they want that lifestyle, then let's have them come out of the shadows with it.

What I care about is if Hillary threatens / blackmails people who Bill "assaulted" and/or had sex with. To me this much worse than talking smack and bragging about your prowess...

I don't think that Hillary envisioned herself as President 30 years ago. But I am certain that she envisioned Bill and Herself climbing the political ladder. They have always been an ambitious couple.

Sean said...

"What I care about is if Hillary threatens / blackmails people who Bill "assaulted" and/or had sex with."

There's precious little evidence that this occurred.

John said...

Except the words directly from the victims themselves.

But maybe the victims are lying, kind of like the women from Bill Cosby's past... :-)

John said...

The irony from my perspective of course is that if Hillary was a GOP Candidate (ie Sarah Palin) and multiple women came out with these allegations, Laurie and yourself would be the first to place her head on a pike.

Sean said...

"Except the words directly from the victims themselves."

About Hillary? Perhaps you need to read the fact-check Laurie posted. Pretty thin stuff there.

Sean said...

I think the allegations against Bill Clinton are pretty damning. But he's not the candidate.

Sean said...

And, hey, Mr. Down-the-Middle, you sure haven't talked about this:

The Women Who Have Accused Donald Trump of Sexual Assault

John said...

Hey, I have scored Trump a 4 in the character area...

It is Hillary that you folks keep wanting to score higher than a 6...

Sean said...

I'm cool with Hillary as a 6. Trump as a 4 is absurd. He's been an abject failure from a character perspective in almost every area of his life.

John said...

Let's see:
- He has convinced 3 beautiful women to marry him and seems to have great kids.
- He apparently does not smoke, drink, etc.
- He has apparently maintained and kept growing the family fortune.
- He has people who want his name on their building.

He has 10's of millions of people who think he would be a great President

I think that earns him at least a 4.

Sean said...

So who would rate less than a 4 in your book?

John said...

From Here

1. Integrity - Integrity is having strong moral principles and core values and then conducting your life with those as your guide. When you have integrity, you main your adherence to it whether or not other people are watching.

2. Honesty - Honesty is more than telling the truth. It’s living the truth. It is being straightforward and trustworthy in all of your interactions, relationships, and thoughts. Being honest requires self-honesty and authenticity.

3. Loyalty - Loyalty is faithfulness and devotion to your loved ones, your friends, and anyone with whom you have a trusted relationship. Loyalty can also extend to your employer, the organizations you belong to, your community, and your country.

4. Respectfulness - You treat yourself and others with courtesy, kindness, deference, dignity, and civility. You offer basic respect as a sign of your value for the worth of all people and your ability to accept the inherent flaws we all possess.

5. Responsibility - You accept personal, relational, career, community, and societal obligations even when they are difficult or uncomfortable. You follow through on commitments and proactively create or accept accountability for your behavior and choices.

6. Humility - You have a confident yet modest opinion of your own self-importance. You don’t see yourself as “too good” for other people or situations. You have a learning and growth mindset and the desire to express and experience gratitude for what you have, rather than expecting you deserve more.

7. Compassion - You feel deep sympathy and pity for the suffering and misfortune of others, and you have a desire to do something to alleviate their suffering.

8. Fairness - Using discernment, compassion, and integrity, you strive to make decisions and take actions based on what you consider the ultimate best course or outcome for all involved.

9. Forgiveness - You make conscious, intentional decisions to let go of resentment and anger toward someone for an offense — whether or not forgiveness is sought by the offender. Forgiveness may or may not include pardoning, restoration, or reconciliation. It extends both to others and to one’s self.

John said...

10. Authenticity - You are able to be your real and true self, without pretension, posturing, or insincerity. You are capable of showing appropriate vulnerability and self-awareness.

11. Courageousness - In spite of fear of danger, discomfort, or pain, you have the mental fortitude to carry on with a commitment, plan, or decision, knowing it is the right or best course of action.

12. Generosity - You are willing to offer your time, energy, efforts, emotions, words, or assets without the expectation of something in return. You offer these freely and often joyously.

13. Perseverance - Perseverance is the steadfast persistence and determination to continue on with a course of action, belief, or purpose, even if it’s difficult or uncomfortable in order to reach a higher goal or outcome.

14. Politeness - You are knowledgable of basic good manners, common courtesies, and etiquette, and are willing to apply those to all people you encounter. You desire to learn the skills of politeness in order to enhance your relationships and self-esteem

15. Kindness - Kindness is an attitude of being considerate, helpful, and benevolent to others. It is motivated by a positive disposition and the desire for warm and pleasant interactions.

16. Lovingness - The ability to be loving toward those you love means showing them through your words, actions, and expressions how deeply you care about them. It includes the willingness to be open and vulnerable.

17. Optimism - Optimism is a sense of hopefulness and confidence about the future. It involves a positive mental attitude in which you interpret life events, people, and situations in a promising light.

18. Reliability - You can be consistently depended upon to follow through on your commitments, actions, and decisions. You do what you say you will do.

19. Conscientiousness - You have the desire to do things well or to the best of your ability. You are thorough, careful, efficient, organized, and vigilant in your efforts, based on your own principles or sense of what is right.

20. Self-discipline - You are able, through good habits or willpower, to overcome your desires or feelings in order to follow the best course of action or to rise to your commitments or principles. You have a strong sense of self-control in order to reach a desired goal.

John said...

Now you may not like the 1960's "Mad Man" Donald Trump, but I think there are many worse people in the USA. At least with Trump you know roughly where he is coming from whether you agree with him or not.

The people who I score very low are stealthy manipulators and parents who have more children than they can raise responsibly.

Anonymous said...

Trump scores about a 1 out of the 20 principles you listed.


John said...

I think you should reconsider without the bias and after reading them more closely.

No one stays in business and out of jail with a 1...

He may be crass, obnoxious and other things, but he is tenacious, focused and smart enough to get 10's of millions of people to support him aggressively.

Anonymous said...

"...tenacious, focused and smart enough..."

I don't see those on your list.


Anonymous said...

Nevertheless, many of those principles mention following through to one degree or another, something that Donald has failed at too many times to count.


Sean said...

"He has convinced 3 beautiful women to marry him"

But he cheated on #1 with #2 and he cheated on #2 with #3. How much credit does on get for character on that count?

"He has apparently maintained and kept growing the family fortune."

He lost a billion dollars running a casino.

"He has people who want his name on their building."

'Had' is probably more accurate here. Trump Hotels, per online booking sites, are seeing significant drops in business (50%+) this year. He's killing the brand.

"He has 10's of millions of people who think he would be a great President"

Popularity does not equal character.

John said...

I know you hate Trump for real and self perceived reasons.

He still gets a 4 in my book. There are many worse people out there.

Sean said...

"There are many worse people out there"

I'm not comparing Donald Trump to the entire population, I'm comparing him to other people who have sought the Presidency because that is the appropriate cohort for comparison purposes. He's bottom of the barrel on that account.

John said...

I am not sure... Remember that I will take an obnoxious idiot over a self serving quiet back stabber anytime.

Remember that one of my biggest heart burns with Clinton's character is that she is says very different things to different people... (ie Bernie Voters, Wall Street Bankers, Women, Victims of Bill's assaults, etc) She is the consummate "politician", and that is not a compliment.

Remember the old joke...

How do you know when a politician is lying? Their lips are moving...

Sean said...

"Remember that one of my biggest heart burns with Clinton's character is that she is says very different things to different people."

And Trump doesn't? Here's one example: the Trump trip to Mexico. He played all nice with the Mexican President, then flew to Arizona and gave a firebreathing speech on immigration within the span of about three hours.

"How do you know when a politician is lying? Their lips are moving..."

You're asserting that Donald Trump is more honest?

John said...

I think Trump will share his true thoughts verbally long before Hillary will. You may need to filter through the noise, but one has a pretty good idea.

With Hillary, she calculates the personal advantage of every word she says and adjusts as necessary. That concerns me.

I rate them as different but similar.

John said...

Just curious, what has Hillary done to gain your trust?

Sean said...

She's got a long record of policy advocacy and nonprofit work that shows me what she would advocate for in the White House. For instance, she promotes a tax policy that would increase her own tax bill (in sharp contrast to her opponent), which leads me to believe that she advocates for policy based on what she thinks is right for the country, not her own bottom line.

Every single "scandal" that Republicans have tried to raise against her has proven to be less than originally advertised, and in many cases just manufactured outrage.