Monday, May 22, 2017

Trump Approval Numbers and Amateur Judges

First gift from Laurie...
"57% of people think the government should do more:"
Disapproval of President Donald Trump Grows in Latest WSJ/NBC News Poll
Second gift from Laurie, in response to my saying that we should wait for the Special Prosecutors report before saying that Trump is guilty of more than just being a big mouthed person who talks too much and thinks too little.
"Your comments excusing all of Trumps actions make you look idiotic, John. While we still don't know to what extent Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russians, it becomes more clear everyday that Trump is a moron. I am not a lawyer, but it also appears to be obstruction of justice to me."
 It seems the Liberals are as anxious to get some rope for Trump as the Conservatives were to do the same with Clinton... And yet both sides see themselves as rational...  I will never understand...

Why do we have perfectly good investigative services and judicial systems if every one thinks they can pronounce guilt or innocence with certainty based on news reports from unnamed sources.

I wonder how many of these keyboard judges and jurors got his one correct?
Tulsa officer Acquitted in Shooting of Unarmed Black Man

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

There is no doubt that a huge number of Americans would prefer that Donald Trump not be president. He is widely seen as unfit for office. Let's not forget, he lost the general election by 2.8 million votes. News comes every day of the sort of thing that it took months of intense investigation to uncover in Watergate. He looks and acts guilty.


--Hiram

John said...

I am sure he is guilty of many things. Just like Hillary and Bill are...

The big question is does it rise to the level of being a crime that a prosecutor is willing to pursue.

John said...

Maybe we got spoiled with Bush and Obama, they were perfectly boring and professional.

Anonymous said...

does it rise to the level of being a crime that a prosecutor is willing to pursue.

That's the question if you want it to be the question. There is no requirement I am aware of that the grounds for an impeachment, or the standards of proof for impeachment have to be the same as those in a criminal court. Impeachment is a political, not a legal, process.

In the theory of impeachment, a huge problem is that it is a rejection of the will of the people. But the fact is, Trump did lose the popular election by 2.8 million votes. The people wanted someone else to be president.

--Hiram

John said...

I didn't even want Trump for President, but given the choices we were given...

And per the rules of the game, he is our President.

So you can spend the next ~4 years attacking him and making his job harder. Or you start hoping that he is learning and improving. Choices, choices.

Because it sound unlikely that he will be removed from office.

Anonymous said...

And per the rules of the game, he is our President.

But there are certainly reasons to argue against his legitimacy. Obama was president according to the rules of the game, but Donald certainly had no problem arguing against his legitimacy.

Donald is a negotiator. And with respect to any negotiator, the most important thing to know is whose side is he on? On whose behalf is he negotiating? Is he on the side of the Russians? Once we all get a satisfactory answer to that question, than it's time to decide whether we should work to make his job easier or harder.

--Hiram

John said...

Well you keep an eye on him then.

Laurie said...

What Does the President Owe, and to Whom Does He Owe It?

Laurie said...

Why Trump's brand of stupidity is so dangerous

Sean said...

Everything's fine.

"I encountered and am aware of information and intelligence that revealed contacts and interactions between Russian officials and U.S. persons involved in the Trump campaign that I was concerned about because of known Russian efforts to suborn such individuals. It raised questions in my mind about whether Russia was able to gain the cooperation of those individuals." - former CIA Director John Brennan, testifying before Congress yesterday

John said...

Could be...

I had a woman and her son stop by the other morning, they shared a bible verse with me and then asked if I wanted more information...

I listened politely, thanked them for stopping by and sent them on their way...

We know without a doubt that these folks were reaching out with purpose.

Does this mean that I colluded with them?

John said...

Or when Bill Clinton met with the Attorney General on the plane last year... Was that some kind of proof that they colluded and Justice was obstructed?

Anonymous said...

Or when Bill Clinton met with the Attorney General on the plane last year..

Not to do the hypocrisy thing, but it is odd that so many people who had a meltdown over the tarmac meeting between an ex president and an attorney general seem to have no problem with the current president dining alone with the FBI director. Or asking intelligence officials to comment on ongoing investigations. What we have learned lately is the right wing obsession with hypocrisy is entirely situational.

--Hiram

Sean said...

None of what we have heard is proof of collusion. But it's certainly sufficient cause to investigate whether there was collusion. And it's also concerning when the subjects of said investigation act like they've got something to hide.

Sean said...

Everything's fine.

Jared Kushner and Russia’s ambassador to Washington discussed the possibility of setting up a secret and secure communications channel between Trump’s transition team and the Kremlin, using Russian diplomatic facilities in an apparent move to shield their pre-inauguration discussions from monitoring, according to U.S. officials briefed on intelligence reports.

Ambassador Sergey Kislyak reported to his superiors in Moscow that Kushner, son-in-law and confidant to then-President-elect Trump, made the proposal during a meeting on Dec. 1 or 2 at Trump Tower, according to intercepts of Russian communications that were reviewed by U.S. officials. Kislyak said Kushner suggested using Russian diplomatic facilities in the United States for the communications.

The meeting also was attended by Michael Flynn, Trump’s first national security adviser.

John said...

It definitely makes for an interesting investigation. I am interested to see the final report.