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Comey's testimony was serious, substantive, and under oath. On the other side, you've got an administration that couldn't even cop to the fact that the President made a typo.
I liked this person's take on it.
CNN Bottom Line, We Can Not Trust Trump
Now I understood that Trump lied when I voted for him, I mean he is a business man and a politician. But it is the pace at which he does it and the whoppers that he releases that still have me stunned.
One would think that he does not know about all the things that fact checkers can do now days...
It seems his character may not be salvageable.
CNN Who Came Out Better
And then there is this whopper...
WH Rebuffs Comey - Trump is not a "Liar"
The most important Comey takeaway is that congressional Republicans don’t care
America’s Trump crisis is a crisis of partisan politics.
By the way, there isn't anything inherently illegal or wrong about leaking information. It's done all the time for many different reasons. With respect to Comey, it was obvious that the information about him that was provided to the media came from him. Leaking was just a strategy he employed for increasing the focus on the substance of the leak as opposed to who provided it.
The problems is more related to Trump himself. In his private life, Trump demonstrated a high level of concern. He used confidentiality agreements a lot. Arguably he may have brought that mindset with him to the White House. But in the political world of Washington, nobody has signed confidentiality agreements, they are free to talk to the press on whatever terms them choose, just as Trump is.
I would argue it's not even a "leak". Calling it that implies that Comey had some sort of obligation to keep the information secret. In this case, Comey had no such obligation.
Comey didn't work for Donald Trump. He owed no particular obligation of loyalty to the president. The information he arranged to have published wasn't classified. While it might be embarrassing to Trump, it wasn't a secret. Nowhere in law does this president or any other president have the right to declare any conversation he has to be off limits to public disclosure. This is America after all.
--Hiram
Her are thoughts from some more knowledgeable voices.
Politifact
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People tend to confuse the term "unlawful" with illegal. What Comey did might very well have violated FBI rules and regulation, but to be a crime, there must be a statute that is violated. If Turley says a crime is committed, he needs to point to a statute.
What Comey did might well be a violation of FBI rules. Quite conceivably, such actions might provide a basis for firing him with cause. But saying he committed a crime is a big step. it just isn't all that easy to commit a crime.
The default position is that this is America. It's a free country with a Bill of Rights, and within limitations you can say or do what you want. If you have a conversation with the president, you are free to discuss that conversation, with your wife, your husband, you neighbor, and/or CNN. Remember, the president of United States isn't your boss, he is your employee, and just like the kids who mows your lawn, he doesn't have the right to keep secrets from you having to do with nature of the job you hired him to do.
Ambassador Nikki Haley made an interesting point here. She argues that Trump is a CEO. The important thing to remember about a CEO is that he is completely accountable to a board of directors, and the shareholders. Just like every other employee in a company, he works for them.
--hiram
Apparently government employees who discuss things with the President are not always free to discuss them with the general public.
"executive privilege: the privilege, claimed by the president for the executive branch of the US government, of withholding information in the public interest."
Though it sounds like Trump gave up that right in this case when he started tweeting about Comey...
Apparently government employees who discuss things with the President are not always free to discuss them with the general public.
Sure they are. It is a free country, at least so far. Executive privilege only applies between different branches of government.
Bear in mind that the president works for you. He can't tell you what you what you can or cannot say to the press. This is not Nazi Germany we live in. Now Trump had every right to fire Comey, but he didn't have a right to tell Comey what to say to Congress or the media.
--Hiram
I would argue it's not even a "leak".
"Leak" is an argument over semantics, that isn't all that important, because to begin with it happens all the time and nobody thinks anything about it.
In Comey's case, bear in mind that the information disclosed belonged to him, not to the government, and not to Trump. Comey wrote the memo. Comey was an equal participant in the conversation and had every right to disclose his version of what transpired. it's also the case, that while technically anonymous, it was evident to everyone that what was in fact happening was that Comey was making his version of events available through an intermediary. Nobody was sneaking a peek at a document that happened to be on his desk and then running to the Times with it. Comey openly and frankly stated that he was the voluntary source of the information and an early public opportunity.
Trump is really confused on the nature of confidentiality and that's something he needs to learn about. He operated in a world of secrecy protected by confidentiality agreements. He assumed that the people he talked to were barred from disclosing their conversations. In the world he operates in now, the opposite is true. No one he talks to owes him any legal obligation of confidentiality. They are, each of them, taxpayers and American with the right to call up the Times and say anything they darn well please. I do feel the need to says this over and over again. This is a free country, where people can say and do what they please, mostly. Trump is not Hitler. He doesn't have the right to tell people what they can or cannot say, and the sooner he learns that, the more effective his administration will be capable of being.
--Hiram
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