This is an interesting twist... Apparently it is Obama's fault that Clinton lost... Thoughts?
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It's tough for people who engage in a political campaign to let it go. Trump, who lacks Hillary's discipline or maturity, demonstrates that as clearly as anyone. It would be nice if all of us, including Hillary, and including Trump, could move on but that's not going to happen for a while.
The Democratic Party is in a shambles, of course. Not as much as a shambles as the Republicans are, but still a shambles.
--Hiram
There is a lot of fault to go around. But a lot of it too, is just the fallout of doing what we were elected to do. I have been asked, on occasion, if we DFLer's overreached when we controlled Minnesota state government. In some instances, we certainly did. There have been certain issues with the governor's policies, that have quite frankly made me shake my head. But you know, when it came down to it, those weren't the issues that mattered. The issues that did matter often went to the heart of our agenda, issues we simply could not abandon and still stay Democrats. And very often our positions on those issues were clearly right, clearly justified by subsequent events, and do, to put it crudely, poll well. The reasons why they cost us the election were not but because they were wrong, but because they were polarizing.
Where the presidential election is concerned, we won the election by a substantial plurality. This despite running a candidate who couldn't have possibly been more out of tunes with the times. And events subsequent to the election have pretty much proven that the American people made the right choice. But what the outcome of the presidential election teaches us is that being right, that being better, are simply no gurantors of victory. While I am in favor of moving on, the implications of that simply must be understood if we are to move forward.
--Hiram
I guess I just had not heard of this little DEM civil war previously...
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I guess I just had not heard of this little DEM civil war previously...
In the real world, there isn't in fact much sign of it. But there certainly is lots of discussion about what went wrong, and where we should be going.
--Hiram
I just find it amusing if Obama was funneling money away from the DNC and into his own creation...
I just find it amusing if Obama was funneling money away from the DNC and into his own creation...
As I have said elsewhere and here probably, there is a lot of blame to go around. I think there is pretty universal agreement among Democrats that in many ways, Obama did not serve the local parties well. If there is a civil war among Democrats, it's not over that particular proposition. My own pet theory is that we made a mistake in allowing President Obama to jump the queue back in 2008 and receive the nomination. Had Hillary gotten the nomination, she could probably have won the presidency over the hapless and hopeless John McCain pretty easily. She would have had her two terms, and Barack Obama would have been ideally positioned to be elected to the presidency in 2016. But that just didn't happen. Oh well.
--Hiram
Blame this, blame that. Truth be told, she was a bad candidate and would have been a bad president. Unfortunately for America, just not even close to how bad our current president is. Some politicians are more "party" centric than others. If you are trying to differentiate yourself from that of just he party, you might have to go it alone a bit, perhaps at the expense of the group. Solidarity with the party can be good and bad. - JMoe
Hi JMoe,
What I find amusing is Clinton's inability to take "absolute personal responsibility" in any way that counts...
Trump seems a good example of being rewarded for wandering away from the party.
Lunch soon?
"What I find amusing is Clinton's inability to take "absolute personal responsibility" in any way that counts..."
What would you have her do? Make herself available for stoning, perhaps? I didn't notice any clucking when Mitt Romney, in his post-mortem, blamed "free stuff" for his defeat instead of his out-of-touch demeanor and policies.
The reality of this election is that Hillary Clinton, for all of her flaws, appeared to have a fairly solid lead until the October Comey letter. (And I think she has a valid point that perhaps the fact that the Trump campaign was under investigation should have been revealed as well.)
My point is simply that she apparently said "she takes absolute personal responsibility"... Then she just keeps coming up with others to blame.
It seems very immature.
My point is simply that she apparently said "she takes absolute personal responsibility".
To some extent, it's like asking the knife to take responsibility for being sharp. Hillary is whom she is, and whom she is was exactly the wrong candidate for 2016. In a normal year, with a normal set of opponents, she would have been the Jeb Bush of the 2016 Democratic nomination process. But what happened to Jeb didn't happen or to the extent that it did, it didn't fully play out because of the weakness of the Sanders candidacy.
--Hiram
Hillary Clinton's political career is over. At this point, I'm far less concerned about her supposed "immaturity" than that of the person who is in the White House.
And that guy continues to have an Administration that is hobbled by his own laziness and inattention. For instance, after dumping all of the U.S. Attorneys three months ago, not a single replacement has been nominated. All 93 of these positions are still vacant. 14 of the top 16 positions at the Department of Homeland Security and 48 of the top 53 at Defense haven't been filled as well. Key ambassadorships have no nominees either -- a list that includes the UK, France, Germany, NATO, India, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Canada.
No doubt that the Trump administration is somewhat incompetent...
In normal political times, too, the final collapse of the Brownback tax reform experiment in Kansas would be much bigger news. Too bad national Republicans still haven't seemed to learn from that yet.
Hillary Clinton's political career is over.
I think that is a very disputable assumption. I think it's quite possible that Hillary might run again in 2020 for president, particularly if no other strong candidate emerges. The circumstances which contributed to Mrs. Clinton unfortunate inevitability haven't gone away.
--Hiram
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