Now I have had some FB friends who really like what Governor Bevin has to say here. Gov Bevin on Culture / Guns And I agree with most of it, I mean our world is a LOT different than it was 50 years ago. Abortion is legal, violent video games exist, pornography is readily available, physician assisted suicide is legal in some states, many irresponsible parents are allowed to have kids, social media exists, fewer people practice organized religion, etc. And I certainly agree that the government should not be raising our children, or passing the costs of those kids on to other citizens... Finally, he is most definitely correct that Nobody's perfect.
Regarding the Kentucky shooting, their was less press coverage, however only 2 died and unfortunately we are getting pretty numb to single digit mass murders.CNN Kentucky School Shooting Apparently it did not even make the MJ Mass Murder List.
Now he implied that little has changed in the way of fire arms. Which is obviously WRONG... Apparently the type of gun has changed GREATLY... Before 1980 these really weren't on the market. NPR History of AR15 And I am not sure when semi automatic hand guns became all the rage.
Now remember that this guy is from Kentucky where he is trying as hard as he can to end school based sex education and first trimester abortions. CNN What Kentucky Women Want
And he is the same man who said of Teachers taking a day to protest. "I guarantee you somewhere in Kentucky today a child was sexually assaulted that was left at home because there was nobody there to watch them." "I guarantee you somewhere today, a child was physically harmed or ingested poison because they were home alone because a single parent didn't have any money to take care of them," he said, adding that "some were introduced to drugs for the first time because they were vulnerable and left alone." CNN Kentucky Gov Apologizes For a man who supposedly does not want the government raising kids, he sure accepted a lot of responsibility for their choices.
Now I can accept that he is a back woods Religious Right Bible Banger who believes in abstinence only birth control, no early term abortions, no pornography, no access to physician assisted suicide, etc. However for all of his talking I did not hear anything for improving the situation.
Does he want government to take away all the freedoms and technologies that make our society what it is? Does he want us to go back to a rural based society? Does he want government to have morality police walking our streets and monitoring our internet usage? What is his plan for improving things?
Now we have been arguing about how to improve things, and least we have some actionable items, but to keep young people stupid about sex and protection. That has to be one of the worst ideas out there as the ladies from Kentucky explained. And if we want to go back in time, let's get rid of the guns that were not in the public domain 50 years ago.
Regarding the Kentucky shooting, their was less press coverage, however only 2 died and unfortunately we are getting pretty numb to single digit mass murders.CNN Kentucky School Shooting Apparently it did not even make the MJ Mass Murder List.
Now he implied that little has changed in the way of fire arms. Which is obviously WRONG... Apparently the type of gun has changed GREATLY... Before 1980 these really weren't on the market. NPR History of AR15 And I am not sure when semi automatic hand guns became all the rage.
Now remember that this guy is from Kentucky where he is trying as hard as he can to end school based sex education and first trimester abortions. CNN What Kentucky Women Want
And he is the same man who said of Teachers taking a day to protest. "I guarantee you somewhere in Kentucky today a child was sexually assaulted that was left at home because there was nobody there to watch them." "I guarantee you somewhere today, a child was physically harmed or ingested poison because they were home alone because a single parent didn't have any money to take care of them," he said, adding that "some were introduced to drugs for the first time because they were vulnerable and left alone." CNN Kentucky Gov Apologizes For a man who supposedly does not want the government raising kids, he sure accepted a lot of responsibility for their choices.
Now I can accept that he is a back woods Religious Right Bible Banger who believes in abstinence only birth control, no early term abortions, no pornography, no access to physician assisted suicide, etc. However for all of his talking I did not hear anything for improving the situation.
Does he want government to take away all the freedoms and technologies that make our society what it is? Does he want us to go back to a rural based society? Does he want government to have morality police walking our streets and monitoring our internet usage? What is his plan for improving things?
Now we have been arguing about how to improve things, and least we have some actionable items, but to keep young people stupid about sex and protection. That has to be one of the worst ideas out there as the ladies from Kentucky explained. And if we want to go back in time, let's get rid of the guns that were not in the public domain 50 years ago.
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This can go here also... MinnPost Assault Weapons Were Banned Before
Amazing. Just amazing. Of all of the possible treatments for all of society's ills, you settle on the one guaranteed not to help. Banning the AR 15 would not have stopped the Kentucky shooter from using a HANDGUN to commit the illegal act of murder.
But it may save 1000's of other people...
Remember the nice thing about hand gun mass shootings... Many many fewer people are killed and/or injured in each event. And if "a good guy" has a handgun, he stands a chance of ending the conflict.
That is your OPINION. This kid and his handgun managed to shoot some 20 people.
And if a good guy has an AR-15, he might end the conflict sooner.
I'm guessing your intent here is to criticize Gov. Bevin, yet it seems he offers solutions to multiple problems. Whether you like them or not is another matter and largely irrelevant.
MinnPost makes the same silly arguments, starting with their inability to understand or define an "assault weapon." they flat out lie saying an AR-15 cannot be used for hunting or for home defense. It is the most popular sporting rifle in the US, and tends to be the weapon of choice for home defense, for the reason that a "ugly gun" is a better deterrent, even if not fired.
Why are you playing this broken record again? Nobody ever brings anything new to the conversation.
People are still killing people with guns and jerry is as entrenched as ever in thinking that it's somehow the definition of "assault weapon" that is the problem.
Moose
If the "solution" is banning "assault weapons" then there should at least be some definition of them that makes sense in terms of reduced killing of people. The last assault weapons ban did nothing of the sort, defining an assault weapon as an "ugly gun" with no more and no less lethality than an ordinary hunting rifle, not to mention the near-negligible fraction of all assaults using this "assault weapon." The tale does not wag the elephant.
Moose, I must admit one thing. You are now conceding that it is people who kill people and not just some "automatic weapon" that fires when an innocent person enters the room.
Jerry,
Please share these good solutions he is proposing...
Reduce pornography, violent video games, "easy" abortions, disrespect for life and for others, disrespect for authority, single-parent families, divisiveness, mental illness, cultural rot and depravity, failing schools, media circuses, false religions and false solutions.
Honestly... How do you envision our society putting all those genies back in the bottle?
Are you really supporting government getting into the business of enforcing Christian beliefs on all of us? Mandating what we can read, watch, do, etc?
Maybe I will need to move the GOP down some more towards total government control.
As for "easy" abortion... Here are some interesting links that seem to disagree.
Laws by State
States with One Facility
Sometimes I think you are accepting of first term abortions and birth control... Then you snap back to the Far Right.
"Reduce pornography, violent video games, "easy" abortions, disrespect for life and for others, disrespect for authority, single-parent families, divisiveness, mental illness, cultural rot and depravity, failing schools, media circuses, false religions and false solutions."
You know. I can't say I disagree. Because these are exactly the things the other countries did to reduce gun crim....wait...no...they restricted guns. I guess these aren't the solutions we're looking for.
Moose
"You are now conceding that it is people who kill people..."
Well, of course it is. The goal is to restrict PEOPLE from having access to the weapons of mass murder. Good heavens.
Moose
I mean...I suppose your Pumpkin shouldn't have fired missiles at Assad's means of perpetrating chemical attacks, right? It wasn't the chemicals that attacked his people, it was Assad. The chemicals may be dangerous and able to kill masses of people, but it was people who killed the people.
For that matter, why have nuclear disarmament? It's not the nuclear weapons that kill; it's the people.
Moose
Face it, whole countries (driven by their leaders) are less likely to "go nuts" and kill innocent people than is one individual out of millions. Of course, if nobody had chemical weapons, they couldn't be used, and all the nations of the world agreed, back in the 30s, that they would never use them. So how's that working out for us? Nuclear disarmament applied to just TWO countries, and even that was not complete. Take that Australian "gun ban." Seems that about 2/3 of the guns remain, and in a remarkably free and sane nation. Guns are not the problem, people are.
Those other things may be difficult to do, but together they DO contribute to a murder rate that is high, but no higher than other countries on a per-capita basis, concentrated in about 1% of the US counties, and steadily declining despite the increase in the number of guns held by the public. Those other things may be difficult, but a gun ban is too simple.
"How do you envision our society putting all those genies back in the bottle?"
The same way we are going to stop mass shootings. By not accepting it as normal and making heroes out of them in the press, while blaming the tools.
I mean, is the Internet responsible for the existence of pornography? Is the Xbox responsible for the existence and consumption of violent video games? Does ubiquitous social media cause us to divide into warring camps? Does 24/7 news lead people into false beliefs and simplistic solutions?
Sources Jerry?
Australia Gun Law Effectiveness
Murder Rate per Capita
You are a little closer here. But still far off.
Murders by County
"In 2014, the most recent year that a county level breakdown is available, 54% of counties (with 11% of the population) have no murders. 69% of counties have no more than one murder, and about 20% of the population. These counties account for only 4% of all murders in the country.
The worst 1% of counties have 19% of the population and 37% of the murders. The worst 5% of counties contain 47% of the population and account for 68% of murders. As shown in figure 2, over half of murders occurred in only 2% of counties."
kids used to openly bring their rifles to school. There were shooting clubs and teams. We had no mass school shootings. What changed?
What does this have to do with mass shootings? And you used an "absolute"... Please prove that there were no mass shootings.
As for what changed, our country changed from a rural to urban society.
Rapid fire semi auto weapons became prevalent. No more simple 12 gauge pumps.
We could still have kids bring shot guns to school for Trap club, but unfortunately a bunch of fraidy cat Liberals want to avoid every potential risk no matter how small. The same reason they are against conceal and carry.
And many urban Parents would disapprove since they don't have guns in their home.
Apparently you are WRONG again... Unfortunately the death tolls have risen as the weapons became more lethal...
Maybe that is one side of being more affluent now... Not only do we have 2 cars in the garage, but now we can buy multiple weapons...
I remember when I was young we only had Grandpa's old 12 Ga, 410 Ga and a 22... The 12 ga was a pump, the 410 was a single shot and the 22 was a slide to reload...
"Seems that about 2/3 of the guns remain, and in a remarkably free and sane nation. Guns are not the problem, people are."
Then it would appear they are better people, as a nation, than we are. They have a lower percentage of Christians. Maybe that's it.
Moose
hahahahaha ... :-)
Here are some interesting graphs.
Maybe you are onto something... We are an outlier on the money vs religion chart.
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