Just a Reminder. The ID required in the Save Act is NOT what you show to buy beer... And even those fancy Really IDs are not good enough by themselves... 
https://www.nonprofitvote.org/reject-save-act/
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The rationale for Voter ID changes over time. It used to be the case that we were worried about identification. I guess that means we were concerned that people were voting under other people's names, using other people's identity. I never found that convincing, because I never had a sense that it was happening. If it had been a problem, I think we would have all heard about it. There would have been stories, lots of them about people trying to vote only to find someone else had voted for them earlier in the day. Lately, the concern has changed to the possibility that unqualified people are voting. Well, ok, but then how does voter ID address that issue. Unqualified people have identities, and they have ID's. Having a driver's license says nothing about whether you are qualified to vote. I think what is real is what is constant. Imposing requirements to vote creates barriers to voting. The intent always is to lower the turnout of voters who we don't think will vote our way.==Hiram
As I read somewhere... "a solution without a problem"
The problem is one which for a number of reasons we don't want to acknowledge. The fundamental problem with all elections and this has been true throughout history is that too many people who disagree with me also vote.The solution to this most vexing problems is to find ways to reduce the turnout of voters who vote for candidates other than my own. We can do this directly. The reason why slaves weren't allowed to vote before the Civil War was the sense that if they did they would elect candidates who would end slavery.That motivation, fully if implicitly understood, was discredited by the Civil War and it's outcome. So what happens is that what can no longer be done directly is done indirectly through the creation of rationales which have the same effect but with the same negative inferences, We create deniability. We see waters, and we find ways to muddy them.==Hiram
I am still of national IDs and Databases... Then we would know everybodies data. Citizen or not, Felon or not, Gun Rights or not, Criminal record, etc.
We used to worry about privacy. Now we want to create giant federal databases which make our information available to everyone.==Hiram
I am a fan of the tv show, "The West Wing". I have watched the whole thing several times through, and I often watch individual episodes as issues come up or I feel the need for consolation. It was made in the early years of this century, and often provides a prediction of the future from the past. There is one episode when Sam talks about the challenges America will face in those coming years now past. The first thing he talks about is privacy.What he missed was that the notion of privacy would collapse and that 26 years in we would want less privacy. We would want to create national IDs which would be used to creat ID's which all of us would need to exercise our constitutional rights. The information in those databases would be public and all of us or at least the oligarchs among us would have access to it.
The times indeed are a'changing.
There is also the great Robert Redford movie "Sneakers" where the villain were individuals who developed a computer system which would compile all our information. "No ssecrets". It's fascinating how over time villains turn into heros. The James Bond franchise has been acquired by Jeff Bezos who just a few years ago would have been a classic Bond villain. Actually, in a couple of them, I rhink he was.
Ever watch a situation comedy where someone install a complex security system for whatever? Don't you know what will happen at some point in the next 22 minutes? That the system will fail and hilarity will ensue? I have seen that plot device a million times, I see it coming a mile away, and I still laugh when it all comes crashing down. Part of the reason why it works is that this works is because it goes to a basic truth we all understand. The more complex a system it is, the more moving parts it has, the more likely it is to fail. And there is another factor too which makes this more dangerous. For a number of good reasons, complex systems tend to fail when they are most needed and the consequences of failure are most disastrous. If you don't believe me, I suggest checking out the history of recent financial catastrophes where measure designed to make investing safer and more predictable turn out to have catastrophic effects, far worse than anything they were designed to prevent.
Is voter ID like that, involving the development of national databases which compile in one place sensitive information for three hundred million Americans all of which is to be made available on the internet? Is it possible that nothing will go wrong?
--Hiram
I moved your comments from the 10 commandments post... :-O
I agree the Far Right seems to love big brother now days...
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