Monday, May 29, 2017

Biden Has Advice for DEMs

It seems Joe Biden agrees with me in one area.  The DEMs have focused so much on the poor folks, LGBT folks, public employee union members, supporting racial conflict, environmentalism, government handouts, etc that they have forgotten all the hard working middle class people from all races. I wonder if they will refocus their message to be more inclusive or if they will keep pandering to their core constituents?

NBC News Biden
Breitbart Biden
The Hill Biden

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

What that amounts to is that we should have run like Donald Trump. And there is appeal to that. It would have been a return to the roots of our party. Surely it should have been the Democratic Party that offered a plan to keep and expand the coal industry. It should have been the Democratic Party which offered better health care coverage at a lower price. Why was it Donald Trump who thought of that and not us? Certainly it should have been our party who should have hit on the happy notion of retreating from our allies who have stood by us, while sucking up to middle eastern potentates whose hobby is funding terrorism on the side.

There were lots of things that went wrong during the 2016, and each of us can pick and choose our own set of reasons for allowing the disaster that has befallen us to happen. For Biden and Clinton, the issue was a failure of leadership in being unable to build a party structure capable of delivering strong national candidates. I have talked elsewhere about the perils, the deceptive allure of logic. We reasoned ourselves into this disaster. We were complacent in choosing to find the argument for a Hillary candidacy to be compelling. We didn't risk the irrational in searching for an finding a riskier and better candidate. We lost the boldness we had in choosing Obama over Clinton in 2008 and now we are paying the price.

--Hiram

John said...

Personally I think Democrats and Liberals need to drop using the negative labels irredeemable, deplorable, misogynists, xenophobes, bigots, greedy, stupid, facists, racists, etc to describe people who simply believe differently than they do.

I have never figured out how the Left intends to attract these voters by insulting them???

I also think they need to be able to answer my simple question.

What do unsuccessful people who receive tax payer money and services need to do, change, improve, etc if they wish to continue receiving payments and services?

Or are they going to continue arguing that unsuccessful people should receive hand outs indefinitely with no expectations of improvement?

Anonymous said...

What do unsuccessful people who receive tax payer money and services need to do, change, improve, etc if they wish to continue receiving payments and services?

Elect Democrats, one would imagine. But voting isn't enough. Hillary got more votes and still lost.

--Hiram

John said...

Hiram,
And that is exactly why I could never vote for Clinton. That old Democratic slogan...

"Vote for us DEMs and we will take from the rich/ working class and give to you !!! And you won't need to lift a finger, improve, sacrifice, learn or anything!!! We have no expectations for you except that you keep growing your dependent populations and voting for us!!!"

The Liberal belief that people are just rabbits to be fed...

Sean said...

It's so charming how you lecture Democrats about our use of language and then go on a multi-post diatribe where you engage in the basest stereotypes and distort liberal positions to an ridiculous level.

Anonymous said...

I have never figured out how the Left intends to attract these voters by insulting them???

The Liberal belief that people are just rabbits to be fed...

Cognitive dissonance, anyone?

==Hiram

John said...

Let's remember that I do not think of these individuals as being incapable of learning more, making better decisions, working harder and becoming successful independent individuals.

It is not I who supports dehumanizing them by providing them with food, housing, healthcare, etc like some kind of pet because I think they are incapable of providing for themselves.

It is not I who tell them often that they need special benefits in order to succeed because they are unable to do it on their own.

Please remember that I am more than happy to help people who are actively striving to change and improve... I have faith that they can achieve their goals given the correct sticks and carrots.

Unfortunately many Liberals seem to support just giving them more and more carrots while expecting nothing in return.

John said...

One big difference between my accusation and those that Liberals hurl at Conservatives.

I understand that the Liberals truly mean well. (ie good intent) They see people struggling and they want to alleviate that by giving them things. (like feeding a kitty that shows up at their back door)

The problem of course is that by alleviating the struggle, one breeds dependency into many of those families.

Whereas Liberals seem to think the Conservatives are intentionally being evil... (ie bad intent) I mean look at those labels they use.

Sean said...

Says the guy who has compared poor people to animals three times in the last three hours.

Anonymous said...


Whereas Liberals seem to think the Conservatives are intentionally being evil.

I personally try not to think that and as a moral relativist, it's not a line of thinking that I find particularly compelling. There is evil out there. I personally think college students who prevent conservatives from speaking are evil, but that's pretty exceptional.

My theory is conservatives, many of whom are moral absolutists and see the world in pretty stark moral terms tend to project their views on others. Since moralism plays such a huge role in the way the world works, they tend to believe others think in those terms too.

--Hiram

John said...

Sean,
That is how the Liberals seem to want to treat them, I can think of no better equivalent comparison than bunnies / pets. I envision the caring concerned Liberals setting up a feeder in the corner where they have to come and press a button to be given what they need.

Or would it be better if I said that the Liberals want to treat all the poor people as if they are mentally incompetent and physically incapable. Therefore the Liberals setup a house for them, provide food, healthcare, etc and maybe a social worker to check in on them once in awhile.

Give me a break... These are human beings we are talking about... Not helpless dependent beings who need to be fed and coddled... They need to be pushed to excel and become independent and productive members of our society for their good and ours.

Sean said...

" I envision the caring concerned Liberals setting up a feeder in the corner where they have to come and press a button to be given what they need."

Yet we're not the ones who make the demeaning comparisons. Funny how that works. Maybe you need to have your envision checked.

John said...

Sean,
Remember when you were making excuses why the poor folk from Milwaukee were "unable" to take the rural jobs that immigrants risk their lives to come here for?

My Great Grand Father farmed and dug field tile lines by hand to support his wife and 3 kids. Thank heavens for his efforts !!!

John said...

Sean,
If Liberals truly believe that the poor are capable humans and not something less, why do they expect and demand so little from them?

And make so many excuses for their failure to succeed in school, work and life?

John said...

How To Demonstrate Respect

I always like this one...

"Treat people the same no matter their race, religion, gender, size, age, or country of origin. Implement policies and procedures consistently so people feel that they are treated fairly and equally. Treating people differently can constitute harassment or a hostile work environment."

Sean said...

"Remember when you were making excuses why the poor folk from Milwaukee were "unable" to take the rural jobs that immigrants risk their lives to come here for?"

I'm suggesting that poor folk from Milwaukee aren't going to think that uprooting their families to take a part-time near-minimum wage job with no benefits in a rural area where there's no public transportation is such a great deal for them.

"If Liberals truly believe that the poor are capable humans and not something less, why do they expect and demand so little from them?"

I don't accept this characterization of the liberal position, so I can't answer this question.

"Treat people the same no matter their race, religion, gender, size, age, or country of origin. Implement policies and procedures consistently so people feel that they are treated fairly and equally."

Except if they are members of community with some bad apples, amirite?

John said...

If we held all Americans to the same high standards...

If we respected them enough to know they could succeed.

Maybe the vast majority would and these problems would be much smaller...

John said...

"If Liberals truly believe that the poor are capable humans and not something less, why do they expect and demand so little from them?" G2A

"I don't accept this characterization of the liberal position, so I can't answer this question." Sean

Then what do you think unsuccessful people need to do to earn their payments and services?

What improvement do you demand of them in exchange for the large investment they receive from the tax payers?

What are you willing to do if they fail?

Anonymous said...

How To Demonstrate Respect

The challenge Trump presents is that he is not respected, and so what exactly is the etiquette on that? I can tell you that dealing with a president who isn't respected and isn't seen as fit for office presents challenges, not all of which have been negotiated successfully. The recent kerfuffle involving Kathy Griffin is an extreme case of someone going way too far but there are many others.

--Hiram

John said...

On a related note:
CNN Democrats Have to Fight Harder

Sean said...

"Then what do you think unsuccessful people need to do to earn their payments and services? "

I've never been opposed to work requirements for programs that it makes sense to attach them to.

Sean said...

This seems timely, in regards to the GOP-led drive to attach work requirements to Medicaid.

As a law student learning to represent people seeking welfare benefits, I was taught that forms had to be filled out flawlessly. No crossing out words. No white-out. No misspellings. The slightest error would provide an excuse to deny the cash needed for rent, food or a growing child’s shoes.

Republicans revile such bureaucratic rigidity when it inconveniences businesses or the wealthy. Yet they embrace it when it hurts the most vulnerable.


WaPo: The GOP hates red tape -- except when it comes to poor people

John said...

If you support work reqts, maybe you will like this...
The Hill Only Way to End Poverty

Sean said...

I'm not opposed to increasing levels of government employment or offering employers incentives to hire folks. (The cutbacks in government employment during the Obama Administration has been one of the things that has really hurt working class families.) I am opposed to the concept of assigning people on welfare to a job. If they don't want to take such a job, that's fine, but they're still subject to the other work requirements and time limits.