Monday, May 21, 2018

Trump Russia and the Moving Bar

I still find it amazing that GOP citizens are not demanding more transparency from Trump. Are they so certain that he is guilty or incompetent?
  • First he insists "there were no discussions with the Russians"...  Oops I guess there were a few...
  • Then "I am going to hire the best people"... Oops some may be criminals, others lied to the FBI and some beat their wives...
  • The "I did nothing wrong, so I would be happy to be interviewed"... Oops maybe being interviewed is not necessary...
  • All the while trying to point to other "wrong doers".
I mean if his name was Obama they would have had him strung up by now.  We should demand that Trump sit for the Special Counsel, a truly innocent citizen would have nothing to fear by being asked about their meetings, activities, relationships, business dealings, etc.  I mean even Hillary was man enough to be interviewed by people from the other tribe.  Why is Trump such a BIG CHICKEN?


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32 comments:

Anonymous said...

It's not as if we didn't know what Trump was.

--Hiram

John said...

I knew he was a womanizer, bragged and was loose with the truth, but I had such high hopes that he would grow into being President like Obama did.

Apparently Trump is just an old dog who can not change his spots... :-(

John said...

And I sure did not think that the GOP politicians and citizens would be so totally enthralled by our naked President. (ie emperor with no clothes)

I mean when I say "Trump is naked" they tell me about the beautiful clothing he is wearing...

I thought that was an interesting idea... Guess many people saw it... And even drew it. :-(

Anonymous said...

We knew a lot about Trump. He was a public figure for decades. We knew what he was and is.

--Hiram

Anonymous said...

I don't think GOP officials are enthralled by Trump. Like the rest of us, they knew what he was. Yeats got it right:

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."

--Hiram

John said...

I don't know... Those Trump true believers seem pretty enthralled...

Enthrall
1 : to hold in or reduce to slavery
2 : to hold spellbound

Anonymous said...

People aren't stupid. They knew what Trump was. Not even I am that condescending.

--Hiram

Anonymous said...

Did people really believe that a 70 year old alpha male would somehow change into something different? Did they think that somehow, his past wouldn't catch up to him over and over again? What did they imagine he would change into? Why did they believe it wouldn't be something even worse?

Or is none of that true. Was there some other set of motivations at work?

--Hiram

John said...

Back before the election my very conservative mother told me that God has worked miracles with sinners before. I think they truly believed and believe that he would change.

In fact she used Saul as the example.

And maybe he is improving some... I haven't heard of any hookers in the oval office yet... Maybe their is still hope.

Anonymous said...

Back before the election my very conservative mother told me that God has worked miracles with sinners before.

What can I say? I am sure many conservative moms made that argument about Hitler.

--Hiram

Anonymous said...

I don't want to invoke Godwin's law, but I do ask, How persuasivee should we regard an argument that makes the case for voting for evil? Won't we find a flaw in it somewhere if we look?

--Hiram

John said...

Please in some way defend your bringing up Hitler and "evil".

Now I agree that Trump is a womanizing, lying, manipulative, self serving, braggart and narcissist... However that is a very long way from being "evil".

jerrye92002 said...

"I mean if his name was Obama they would have had him strung up by now. "

Really? So why did it not happen, and the many, many scandals and missteps were barely noted in the press??

I sense a massive outpouring of faux outrage, sometimes called TDS.

Anonymous said...

"...many, many scandals and missteps..."

This fake news has been debunked.

"However that is a very long way from being "evil"."

Don't forget that by the late 30s many Germans believed Hitler was bringing them out of the Depression and there had been 'only some' harassment of Jews at that point. We have the benefit of History to show us how evil Hitler was. If we had a modern Hitler among us, would we know? Would we stand up to him before it was too late?

I wonder if it's evil that Germany allowed Jews to emigrate at one point, but the U.S. said "no".

Moose

John said...

Jerry,
All of the GOP witch hunts of the Obama and Clinton failed to deliver one charge. Remember that the GOP controlled Congress and the investigations. Both were found to be relatively clean.

Now it is time for Congress to make Trump testify. If he is innocent, he should have nothing to fear. But as I said. He no balls compared to Hillary who gave hours and hours of testimony, Trump is a big mouthed chicken.

Moose,
It is not the job of America to save every human in the world by bringing them to the USA. Or do you truly want to live in a country with a couple billion people.

After driving through Delhi yesterday, I am certainly that I am against that solution.

John said...

As a wealthy and powerful country we do have an obligation to help them help themselves though, as we do with foreign aid and military support.

Anonymous said...

Oh yes. We came to our senses just in time to save the 6,000,001st from being killed. How generous and righteous we were.

My point is, of course, that evil is quite often done in the name of “doing the right thing”. As you’ve demonstrated.

Moose

jerrye92002 said...

"This fake news has been debunked."

Really? Who debunked the Fast and Furious affair? Who debunked Hillary's private email server? Who debunked the Uranium One-Clinton Foundation affair? Who debunked the "Benghazi was caused by a video" story? Sure, the "drive-by media" did its best to cover up those things, just as they are now turning every word of the Trump Presidency into a major scandal, only to prove a nothingburger. If it weren't for a double standard, the rabid Left would have no standards at all.

John, have you seen the questions Mueller wants Trump to answer? Ridiculous! I don't understand why Trump doesn't just answer them in writing, including some answers like, "what the ## kind of a question is that?"

Anonymous said...

Was the Hillary email server fake news? Did she not have a private server? Did the New York Times get it wrong? What about the Unranium Clinton story? Was that fake news? Did the Times report the story wrong? What should have been debunked about the story? How about Benghazi? What about the video wasn't thoroughly reported? Do we know for a fact that the video didn't play a role? Was the fake news there the reporting that it didn't?

One of the ironies running throughout the news coverage of the last several years is that over and over, Fox News has complained that the mainstream media hasn't covered the news that the mainstream media in fact broke and covered. It wasn't Fox News that first reported the email story.

Trump would want to answer them in writing because the answers would be written by lawyers

Anonymous said...

We should demand that Trump sit for the Special Counsel, a truly innocent citizen would have nothing to fear by being asked about their meetings, activities, relationships, business dealings, etc. I mean even Hillary was man enough to be interviewed by people.

I don't know. As with the Starr Clinton investigation, the special prosecutor has an unfair advantage. In an ordinary criminal investigation, the target could and would take the fifth. By publicly demanding that the target submit for an interview, the prosecutor would be undermining the target's constitutional rights. That's true in a court of law. But America isn't a court of law. As Trump himself has done publicly many times in his life, we are free to draw adverse conclusion from a refusal to testify or be interviewed. And I think pretty much all of us have. That's why Trump supporters, in some state of innocence, aren't asking questions and aren't demanding that Trump come clean. They know something's up.

--Hir

jerrye92002 said...

" They know something's up." Really, the average citizen, by some miracle of divination, knows for certain something that a special prosecutor, a team of dozens, and a year of investigation can still only hint at?

Anonymous said...

" They know something's up." Really, the average citizen, by some miracle of divination, knows for certain something that a special prosecutor, a team of dozens, and a year of investigation can still only hint at?

Oh sure. People aren't stupid. They knew what Trump was and is. Can you honestly tell me that you really and truly don't think Trump is a crook?

--Hiram

jerrye92002 said...

Yep.

A bit of a philanderer in the past, probably, and a healthy ego, certainly (you have to have). So what? Somewhere between 80 and 180 accomplishments can overlook a lot of minor faults.

John said...

What accomplishments exactly?

Increasing the national debt and deficit?

John said...

Here is a Trump true believer opinion piece.

I am pretty sure a lot of Americans will disagree that these changes were accomplishments, I can't wait until November to find out...

Please remember that a lot more Americans still see him as a problem, not a solution.

jerrye92002 said...

A lot of Americans will have an /opinion/ about Mr. Trump and his accomplishments. They are entitled to hold that opinion and to vote accordingly. They are NOT allowed, even in a majority or "97% consensus" to insist that I must have an equal opinion unless they can support their opinion with knowledge and reason.
your opinion counts for

I'm always fascinating by these opinion polls that say something like "65% disapprove of the Congress' action" when 63% of them cannot name their own Congressman. Public opinion may be fact, but it should never be accepted as truth.

Anonymous said...

People have the right to their opinion. They have the right to be wrong. Of course, votes are discarded. The three million voters who gave Hillary her plurality were simply thrown away.

But it's also true that what people say doesn't change what people think. And we all know what people think. Republican supporters of Donald Trump are not the only people with rabbit ears.

--Hiram

jerrye92002 said...

All those Hillary voters in California shouldn't have been allowed an "opinion" anyway.

John said...

Please remember that MN's voted for Hillary also.

Should our majority not be heard either?

Would you be happier in China? Or Russia? Or maybe Venezuela?

John said...

I think this is interesting... Trump's appeal is strongest among the low educated. Somehow I don't find that surprising.

"In the 2016 election, a wide gap in presidential preferences emerged between those with and without a college degree. College graduates backed Clinton by a 9-point margin (52%-43%), while those without a college degree backed Trump 52%-44%. This is by far the widest gap in support among college graduates and non-college graduates in exit polls dating back to 1980. For example, in 2012, there was hardly any difference between the two groups: College graduates backed Obama over Romney by 50%-48%, and those without a college degree also supported Obama 51%-47%."

Anonymous said...

Should our majority not be heard either?

Sure. Just as much as California's. And yes, the minority has just as much right to lose elections as the majority has to win them.

Having just seen the conditions that Jason Lewis and Erik Paulsen have put on attending their town hall meetings, I would say they wouldn't be out of place at a Communist Party gathering in Smolensk during Stalin's heyday.

--Hiram

jerrye92002 said...

Oh, piffle. Town Hall meetings should not be a place for violence and loud demonstrations. You should not only need a ticket to get in, but maybe post a surety bond as well. It isn't Lewis and Paulson creating the need for these measures, it's the rabid left-fascists.

And it is just that elitist attitude that got Trump elected. It is possible to graduate college with no common sense whatsoever.

And sorry, I forgot to include in my mention of CA the ":-/"

I suppose, if Hillary had a hockey team, we could change the rules so that if you got the puck close to the net you got a point. But that isn't a win.