Sunday, December 19, 2021

Manchin Buries BBB?

Or is he just negotiating?  Of course, the progressive DEMs are NOT happy

I hope Manchin holds the line and ensures the Progressive's wish list items are stripped before this gets passed.

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

Well nothing is done until it is done. But if our country weren't failing, we could make a deal. A politician from the poorest state in the union wouldn't be running our economy into the ground. In a time of the severest December tornados in history, we wouldn't be in the process of choosing not to deal with climate change for another decade. Minnesota Republicans wouldn't be running a candidate who is saying "What's the point? We are all point to die anyway?'

--Hiram

John said...

Hiram,
Please remember that it is not just one Senator saying NO... It is 51 Senators saying NO...

The DEMs seem to keep intentionally forgetting that their proposal is so partisan and extreme that it can not get one Republican vote.

As for the climate change provisions, do you know if they stripped out the "Union Made" language or is that still in there?

Anonymous said...

Republicans lost the election. I assure you in 2023 when Republicans resume control of Congress again, there will be no talk of bipartianship then. And why should there be? They will have won the election.

--Hiram

Laurie said...

I think the dems could propose a tax cut, which the GOP loves. but if it was sponsored by dems no one in the GOP would go along and support it.

John said...

You two seem to forget that the Infrastructure bill just passed on a bi-partisan basis.

John said...

And interesting link that shows laws passed in 2021.

John said...

This piece is interesting.

"In analyzing the "puzzling" 2020 election results, William Galston at Brookings last year warned of the following: "...we do not know why so many Biden voters behaved in this way. Some may have been Republicans who could no longer stomach President Trump but could not support the Democratic Party's agenda and wanted to counterbalance the new administration." (Emphasis mine.) He added: "Democratic strategists would be well-advised to get to the bottom of this puzzle, which nearly cost the party its control of the House in a year when its leaders were expecting to expand their majority." "

Anonymous said...

A lot of folks believe that Americans are lazy. This manifests itself in a lot of ways. There is a widespread view that if given a chance, they will themselves onto welfare. I think that's why Republicans work so hard to limit the franchise, and to limit the impact of the franchise we are allowed.

==Hiram

John said...

I don't think most people are lazy...

But babies are cute and offer unconditional love...

Then when you have one school is hard, working is hard, etc...

Getting a check and coddling a baby is much easier...


On top of that, poor parental role models are hard to break.
That apple often does not roll far from the tree. :-(

Anonymous said...

Politicians do think people are lazy. And they act on that assumption and that's a problem.

--Hiram

John said...

Lazy: "unwilling to work or use energy."


Hiram, Maybe lazy is the wrong word since I am sure many of the free loaders in our society are happy to expend energy on fraud, shop lifting, hobbies, drugs, etc.

Now what is your point?

Why is a bad idea that ~10% of our population is okay living off someone else's efforts?

Laurie said...

BBB was always unprecedented. It’s no surprise that it’s getting cut down.

John said...

Now Kevin is speaking pragmatic common sense this time.

Thank you for sharing.

Laurie said...

Joe Manchin has all the power — and a catastrophic lack of imagination


https://wapo.st/33SOOzW

John said...

That guy is a nut case...

"Any wish the state’s citizens desired could be granted. Rebuild every school, repave every road, give scholarships to every high school graduate who wants to go to college, bring hospitals and community centers and new businesses to every corner of the state, make West Virginia the nation’s new technology hub. Let your imagination run wild.

But Manchin has no visible imagination.

Instead, all his demands have been negative — not what he might use this bill to accomplish, but how he can stop what other Democrats want to do."

Thank God he is not one of our politicians.

John said...

Imagine the National Debt if every politician was willing to sell out to get pork for their district...

Instead of just most of them... :-O

I wonder who the writer thinks is going to pay for all the free stuff?

Anonymous said...

Imagine the National Debt if every politician was willing to sell out to get pork for their district...

Politicians are always willing to sell out to get pork for their district. The question is whether they are willing to sell out to get pork from someone else's district.

--Hiram

John said...

Apparently Manchin is willing to put common sense before pork.

Anonymous said...

Not for West Virginia.

--Hiram

John said...

That response made no sense to me?

John said...

Probably why there are so few Buddhists and Jews... :-)

Anonymous said...

Senators from poor states stay in office by delivering pork to their constituents. McConnell in Kentucky is famous for it. Nobody is a conservative when it comes to buying votes.

--Hiram

John said...

"Buying Votes" is an interesting concept.

I mean I understand how the DEMs do it. They work to give money and services to the masses at the expense of the minority / successful.

I am not sure how lowering taxes and placing Conservative justices in place can be considered buying votes? Unless it is some kind of quid pro quo exchange.