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33 comments:
The Republican position is that government shouldn't do anything that could possibly benefit illegal aliens. In practical terms, they need the money saved from Medicaid to pay for their tax cuts. This is strange to me, because Republicans represent a lot of poor people who really need those Medicaid benefits, and they don't benefit from the tax cuts, that are paid for by Medicaid cuts.--Hiram
It is puzzling why many low income folks vote the way they do.
Many low income people vote based on cultural issues (and lies.) Laurie
Abortion rights, LGBTQ rights and Religion in general really make it hard for folks to be rational.
Vertical Morality
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vertical-morality-maga-christians_l_68dc8386e4b0b11989f00fb8
I think independents who no longer approve of Trump are often reluctant to vote for Dems and I think very few Trump voters will switch their vote to a dem. Also, that article on vertical morality seems to make a lot of sense to explain people's views. Laurie
worth watching:
Murphy Floor Speech on Trump's Authoritarian Takeover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MTtkaJvANI
Murphy is one of my fav dem politicians. Laurie
"Abortion rights, LGBTQ rights and Religion"
Let's look at these issues in terms of "rigidity" and how they were chosen for that. All are difficult issues, and a reason for that is that they don't admit easily of compromise. Liberals are rigid on them but then so are conservatives. Abortion is really an absolute. Either they should be legal or they shouldn't. Really there is no room for compromise any effort to reach one is just a step along the way to an absolute position. Gay rights? Well, gays can either marry or they can't. People are rigid, because there is not middle ground. Religion? I simply don't know why I should care about anybody else's religion and it baffles me why they should care about mine. It's the ultimate personal matter. Yet people want to make impose their views on me, views which I note seem remarkably rigid.
Democrrats, Liberals, are unpopular even with Democrats and liberals. It really is our fault. We saw what was happening and we failed America when we didn't stop it. With an excess of rigidity perhaps, we trusted the system which has been visibly deteriorating for decades. Now the worst is happening.
What is to be done?
I agree that Murphy is well spoken and rational.
Personally I think Abortion, LGBTQ, and Religion are already pretty negotiable topics. Of course, I am neither a DEM or a GOPer anymore...
Dems need to figure out how to message on moderate support for trans people and not fight for trans rights that many people see as extreme. Also, for those who are comfortable talking about religion, there could be effective messaging on more traditional Christian values. Laurie
Compromise isn't really the issue. We find ourselves talking about girls softball, not because it is an important issue in our society, but because it was selected as an effective wedge which can be used to advance politically while deflecting attention from the real agenda. There will never be a shortage of such issues. Once we compromise on this issue, another will be found. The goal isn't to deal with our divisions, instead the goal is to divide us.==Hiram
Laurie, I agree.
Hiram, The DEMs make it easy to drive wedges because of some of their FAR LEFT views.
And that is a choice they are making.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/trans-athlete-debate-penns-lia-thomas-loses-trans-yale-swimmer-rcna11622
Yes, Democrats are vulnerable to wedge attacks. That's because the Democratic is an often uneasy coalition of disparate groups.. It is always easy to find cracks in the coalition and break them apart. It's also true that Democrats are a party that wants to get things done, which means they need to maintain unity. The Republican Party is a less diverse party, both in their membership and their goals. They don't have the cracks we do. Also, since the Republicans are a party that wants to prevent things from being done. You don't need unity for that because not doing things is the the natural state of being.--Hiram
I have been thinking about the Dems and their abortion position of no restrictions of any kind. I have decided it might be wise to limit abortions to the first term, unless there is a real exception for the life and health of the mother. In red states pregnant women die because they cannot get abortion care for a complicated / high risk pregnancy, but it doesn' t have to be that way. Doctors in blue states could perform late term abortions when they are medically necessary. Laurie
What Democrats find absurd is that totally inappropriate people are demanding a role in the most important and intimate decisions of people's lives. Do you think Donald Trump is a trustworthy person, a moral person. You may be convinced he is a brilliant business man but would you buy a bond from him? Would you want your son to grow up to be like Donald Trump? Yet people are very comfortable in deciding whether on what terms a woman should or even can have an abortion. How is this not obviously ridiculous.?==Hiram
From a pro life perspective, how does you position make any sense at all? If life begins at conception, how is it possible to accept that abortions should be legal in the first trimesterr?--Hiram
An abortion at six weeks is acceptable to many more people than an abortion at 26 weeks. The people demanding no abortions ever is not that large of a percentage. Laurie
This is the most important decision people make in their lives. Why should how it is made be based on polling? In any disagreement, there is a tendency to want to split the difference. The problem with that is that there is no reason at all to think a decision reached through a difference splitting process is right. In the Bible, Solomon proposed splitting the difference, but that wasn't the choice that as ultimately made.--Hiram
Hiram,
You can rationalize the Left Leaning vs Right Leaning extremists however you want to. However, if the DEMs can not be seen as the rational popular party, they will keep losing...
Imagine being so far out of the main stream that MAGA looks more normal? :-O :-)
Dems are not more extreme than maga. While it's probably due to my choice of moderate media, I am seeing very little of the far left viewpoint in the news I consume. What are you reading or referring to when you keep saying the Dems are more extreme than maga. The trans issue is difficult for Dems, but I don't see much else. Laurie
I thought I posted this before. Does it help?
Bill Mahers Answer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZkjMUIDP9U
Facism / destroying democracy just seems so much more important to me than disagreements over cultural issues. The economy seems pretty important to me as well. Laurie
Beauty definitely is in the eye of the beholder.
It will be interesting to see how the economy and country are after they have fired a few hundred thousand federal public employees. Will we citizens even notice?
I think it will soon be clear that the economy is not doing well. I have been surprised that the stock market has done as well as it has. Laurie
I keep hoping it will crash... But $2 Trillion deficits do wonders to prop things up.
Why do you want the stock market to crash? Most Americans need their investments for their retirement. Laurie
I am mostly diversified into cash, bond funds and dividend paying stocks. So the AI buble does not impact me. (for better or worse)
The reason stocks, crypto and real estate are so over valued is because citizens have voted for massive deficits. (ie low taxes / high benefits) Meaning that they have been quite literally been stealing from our kids.
AI would appreciate the selfish folks experiencing some pain.
Also, remember that many stocks would be fine during a AI bubble explosion...
I think a basic reason to be bullish about staocks is that this is a very pro business administration, which is also committed to low taxes and loose enforcement of tax laws. That means that more money will go right to the bottom lines. These blessings are not unmixed, of course. Tariffs aren't necessarily good for many businesses, but I think business will find a way around them, and I think people are resilient.--Hiram
Even the can over borrow
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/america-is-going-broke-slowly-says-jpmorgan-as-national-debt-balloons-and-tariff-revenue-looks-shaky/ar-AA1OreBR
Another
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/analysis-how-the-united-states-is-eating-trump-s-tariffs/ar-AA1OlqaN
1929 again ?
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/lessons-from-1929-wall-street-crash-60-minutes-video-2025-10-12/
It is hard to understand tariff policy because we don't know either what it is, or what it's goals are. We don't know whether Trump's policies will be sustained. He uses them as a tool, but the problem is the existence of a hammer doesn't tell you much about what the house it is used to build will look like.==Hiram
I assume:
Goal 1: Pressure companies to move back to USA
Goal 2: Generate revenue so taxes can be cut else where
Goal 3: Punish people / countries that will not bow to Trump.
The problem is that the USA has only about 4% of the world's citizens...I am pretty sure the other 96% can work around it just fine.
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