NYT: As Passions Flare in Abortion Debate, Many Americans Say ‘It’s Complicated’
I think article was pretty good.
I have an elder aunt who likes to post conservative fluff on FB. Like this:
FOX Texas border town declares itself sanctuary city for the unborn:
'Here we will no longer murder our babies'
To which I had to post...
I think article was pretty good.
I have an elder aunt who likes to post conservative fluff on FB. Like this:
FOX Texas border town declares itself sanctuary city for the unborn:
'Here we will no longer murder our babies'
To which I had to post...
"It is kind of funny how a bunch of old
fat guys could be having babies... :-)
I mean "our babies"... Really?
Did they also approve funding to
help raise the baby?
Will they wake up in the middleOften I ask the questions regarding her position on how to care for the child after it is born and get no answers. :-(
of the night with the collicky baby?"
18 comments:
It's complicated because complications are political tools of the trade. They are used to divide and unify individuals in ways that craft both majorities and minorities. Complications are politics at their most cynical and their most indifferent to the actual interests of people.
--Hiram
Ah... But in this case the politicians seem to want to make it simple...
You are either for killings babies...
or
enslaving women to act against their will...
If politicians wanted to make it simple, they would stay out of it. It is truly bizarre that someone with a low moral character like Donald Trump thinks he should have a role in the most intimate decisions anyone can make.
--Hiram
So... Should a Parent be free to end their child's life at any age?
Even if they are depressed or dealing with some other mental issue?
When do you think an embryo, fetus, etc becomes a human that our society has a duty to protect?
Should a Parent be free to end their child's life at any age?
Are you introducing complications? This is an important decision and I don't think that's a question women when they are considering these issues.
--Hiram
Politicians use slippery slope gotcha questions in order to divide the public. Note these are questions that exist in the political arena, they are not the kind of much more difficult questions the women in our lives ask themselves and others when confronted with difficult choices.
--Hiram
My point all along is that this is a very complicated issue.
You are the one who tried to keep it simple.
Unfortunately mothers occasionally kill their children...
Is that government business or not?
My point all along is that this is a very complicated issue.
My point is that the issue is complicated because it's in the interest of politicians to make it so. At the expense of the people whose lives it affects.
--Hiram
And yet you refuse to answer my "simple" questions.
aborting an embryo or fetus is not killing a child.
The reason hypotheticals are problematic is that people who use them are rearranging and altering facts, because the facts as they originally stood were not helpful to their case. My point is that abortion is a difficult and intimate decision, and I just don't know why someone like me has the moral or any other form of standing to intervene it. Certainly that's true of a corrupt and dishonest political figure like Donald Trump.
Pro life forces want to turn these immensely important issues over to the legal system for coercion because they utterly failed to meet their burden of persuasion with the people who are actually concerned. This has resulted in an alliance of convenience with the most dishonest and immoral politicians operating in our public life today. This has not only undermined their position of the specific issue concerned, but also compromises their moral credibility on much broader issues which they could be addressing, if only they weren't diverting their resources to the bullying of women.
--Hiram
Laurie,
The heart is pumping and the brain is functioning by 16 weeks...
I would argue that it is a child who is reliant on the mother for life support...
What protections would you recommend before a Mother could turn off an ICU unit incubator and starve their preemie?
My questions from above...
So... Should a Parent be free to end their child's life at any age?
Even if they are depressed or dealing with some other mental issue?
When do you think an embryo, fetus, etc becomes a human that our society has a duty to protect?
Hiram,
"Bullying women" or "Saving innocent babies"
Two very different perspectives of the same act...
And yes it is complicated.
"When do you think an embryo, fetus, etc becomes a human that our society has a duty to protect?"
We've already essentially solved this problem to the satisfaction of a majority of Americans. Abortion prior to 24 weeks is safe and legal. Abortion after 24 weeks happens extremely infrequently and almost always as the result of severe medical issues with either the fetus or the mother.
Viability age keeps dropping...
It may have been 24 weeks in 1973...
But I think it is probably closer to 22 weeks now...
Of course is Jerry willing to pay for that tiny preemie to stay in neo natal intensive care for 18 weeks?
"Bullying women" or "Saving innocent babies"
Is that a choice Donald Trump has the moral qualifications to make that decision for others? He certainly does have a different perspective. He isn't bearing the child.
I do note that Mr. Trump values his own financial privacy much more highly than the physical privacy of women he has never met.
--Hiram
You are obsessed with Trump... :-(
Many of the anti-abortion folks are not Trump.
One more good reference
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