Live Action 'Dark day’: Illinois lawmakers pass abortion bill far worse than New York’s
So one my elderly female FB relatives posts things like the above on a regular basis. To which a number of other like minded people curse the murderers / evil.
I then of course throw in some comments questioning the accuracy of the post. To which I almost get no response.
Or worse yet, do they just swallow the lies in the pieces they read without even verifying the accuracy?
Which brings us to this piece... VOX Why conservatives are winning the internet.
I mean if Conservative authors are fine with lying and the Conservative recipients are so gullible as to believe the lies... Of course social media is a great forum for them.
I mean Trump Lies daily and these folks eat it up and defend him aggressively. It paints a very bleak picture of human nature. :-(
So one my elderly female FB relatives posts things like the above on a regular basis. To which a number of other like minded people curse the murderers / evil.
I then of course throw in some comments questioning the accuracy of the post. To which I almost get no response.
Maybe you should read the law rather than let these folks wind you up. And please remember that federal law passed in ~2001 made partial birth abortions illegal all across the country, so it is no longer needed in state laws. To me it looks like this law brings IL into alignment with Roe V Wade, just like the NY law.
And if you do not believe about how this author is trying to mislead you...Now for my question... Do these people really think there are evil Mothers and Doctors who enjoy ending pregnancies?
Or worse yet, do they just swallow the lies in the pieces they read without even verifying the accuracy?
Which brings us to this piece... VOX Why conservatives are winning the internet.
I mean if Conservative authors are fine with lying and the Conservative recipients are so gullible as to believe the lies... Of course social media is a great forum for them.
I mean Trump Lies daily and these folks eat it up and defend him aggressively. It paints a very bleak picture of human nature. :-(
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Here are some more pieces regarding Illinois and ProLife Laws.
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Map of Policies
"Hostile and Supportive States
7 states are very hostile
14 states are hostile
25 states are middle-ground
3 states are supportive
1 state is very supportive
This policy landscape has changed over time. In 2010:
No states were very hostile
10 states were hostile
38 states were middle-ground
2 states were supportive
No state was very supportive"
I am very curious if this will make a lot of voters move to the DEMs in 2020?
Or if it is not a big issue for the moderate pro-choice people like myself.
Something that is characteristic about the abortion debate is that people on one side of of the issue think that people on the other side are just simply wrong, but instead are irredeemably evil. Among other things, this distorts the way two sides talk to each other to the extent they talk at all, and it also makes compromise on issues virtually impossible.
--Hiram
An interesting assumption that abortion opponents make that goes relatively unchallenged is that opposition to abortion means that abortion should be illegal. To begin with, as anyone who has watched an anti abortion rally, many people who are opposed to abortion in theory, have had abortions themselves. It's just not the case that opposition to abortion in theory means opposition to abortion in practice.
--Hiram
As I have brought up before... These same judgmental holier than though Pro-Lifers never want to discuss:
- how to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies?
- how to reduce the abuse and neglect of children?
Their view is singular and myopic.
The problem with absolutism. It's hard to deal with the devil.
--Hiram
On one side they have...
- sex only when married and pro-creating
- fertilized egg is a baby
On the other they see pure sin and evil...
That is unless it is their preferred President banging the porn star while his wife sits at home with their new born child.
The level of hypocrisy just keeps flooring me... Though I should be getting used to it.
The level of hypocrisy just keeps flooring me
Hypocrisy is a conservative weapon, a sword rather than a shield. In any situation, the reflexive conservative response is to mine data, find some roughly comparable counter example and accuse the other side of double standards. It's a stock form of argument designed to deflate and confuse. The downside is that it is always illuminating since there are always multiple standards for everything. It's why it's such an easy argument to make.
On the other side, we have a tough time making hypocrisy arguments. For one thing, we aren't absolutists. We too easily recognize that in this complex world there aren't just one or two standards but multiple standards. And for another, double standards are negative arguments. they don't advance our knowledge further. They simply match one dumb set of facts against another in pointless ways.
--Hiram
For you logic fans out there, let's consider the form of hypocrisy-double standard arguments.
Here is one way they work. X does Y. But in the past, in similar circumstances, X did Z. Does that mean Y was wrong? Or that Z was wrong? Can we conclude anything at all about the rightness or wrongness of either Y or Z? If we can't, what's the point of making this kind of argument at all?
--Hiram
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