Jerry's comments are convincing me they are.
"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."
I mean there is no doubt that Trump is blowing the protests / rioting way out of proportion in order to get people to support him. Just think... There are maybe 2 serious situations at any point in time, involving maybe 10,000 protesters and 200 destructive rioters... And he wants us to be scared of that? While 1,000 people per day are dying of COVID? Really?
All the while blaming others for the current state of America when he has been the President for 3+ years. I know things are TERRIBLE, but just give me another 4 years.
And he wants to use Federal forces to suppress the protests / riots rather than leaving the choices to the local and state authorities. And when the Local and State authorities resolve the issue he tries to claim credit.
Finally, the worst part of this if Jerry is a typical Trump True Believer is that many GOP folks are apparently buying into this CON. The same people who do not want FEDERAL personnel, rules, over sight, etc are cheering our authoritarian President on. Having the EPA in your state keeping your water clean is TERRIBLE. But having Homeland Security in you city is OKAY.
Being a State's Rights are Crucial True Conservative, I have to wonder what are these cult followers thinking? Why are they not demanding that the Feds stay the frick out of local issues? Instead they just roll over beg them to invade? It is so sad what happened to the GOP.
Jerry's comments : Blue John / G2A's Green
Truth-- Trump says there is rioting in major cities. Democrats call them "mostly peaceful protests."
Other than Portland and Kenosha... Where are these riots?
And if they occur in only Portland and Kenosha, can they be ignored? You are going a long way around to believe what you want.
Of course they can be ignored. Portland is a LONG WAYS from here and not my problem.
They have Local and State governments to address or not address a local problem.
And if their government reps make the wrong decision they will be removed from office.
And it seems that Kenosha has quieted down after a rough start.
So again, other than to rile up his base... Why is Trump focused on Portland when we have far more people dying due to COVID, hurricanes, normal crime, etc?
Why would he encourage armed militias to go to Portland other than to cause more violence?
Turn your question around. Why are thousands of people looting and burning down black neighborhoods (and others), attacking police, reporters and innocent bystanders just because one happens-to-be-black criminal has a near-fatal run-in with the police?
As for your "sense of proportion," why are we concerned about ONE police shooting of a black man when every day there are dozens of black men shot by other black men?
"And if their government reps make the wrong decision they will be removed from office."
You make the silliest arguments sometimes. When will these idiots/fools/dreamers "be removed from office"? November at the very earliest, two years from November more likely, and you overlook that they got elected in the first place by people who believed that a "D" by your name meant you could solve all these problems just by speaking the magic words. And even if they were, how many businesses and neighborhoods must burn down, and black people die, before these Democrat office-holders take responsibility?
The proper response is "law and order" and not just the words. Trump is the only one seemingly willing to do what is necessary. "Focussing" on Portland is because it is an immediate and easily fixed problem that Democrats do NOT want Trump to fix, while unwilling to do it themselves.
Because police are employees of the government, they are not to harm or kill citizens except when absolutely necessary. They are to protect and serve, not threaten and kill.
You really are starting to sound like a fascism supporter.
"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."
What citizens do to each other is a whole different issue.
Again... You are wanting to have the Federal government invade the States against their will. This SO NOT Conservative.
Conservatives like me believe in States and the roles and responsibilities...
For years you fought the Feds interfering in Local education even though millions of kids were being damaged in Red States.. And now you want the Feds to invade a city.
At least now I understand how fascism is enabled.
"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."
I mean there is no doubt that Trump is blowing the protests / rioting way out of proportion in order to get people to support him. Just think... There are maybe 2 serious situations at any point in time, involving maybe 10,000 protesters and 200 destructive rioters... And he wants us to be scared of that? While 1,000 people per day are dying of COVID? Really?
All the while blaming others for the current state of America when he has been the President for 3+ years. I know things are TERRIBLE, but just give me another 4 years.
And he wants to use Federal forces to suppress the protests / riots rather than leaving the choices to the local and state authorities. And when the Local and State authorities resolve the issue he tries to claim credit.
Finally, the worst part of this if Jerry is a typical Trump True Believer is that many GOP folks are apparently buying into this CON. The same people who do not want FEDERAL personnel, rules, over sight, etc are cheering our authoritarian President on. Having the EPA in your state keeping your water clean is TERRIBLE. But having Homeland Security in you city is OKAY.
Being a State's Rights are Crucial True Conservative, I have to wonder what are these cult followers thinking? Why are they not demanding that the Feds stay the frick out of local issues? Instead they just roll over beg them to invade? It is so sad what happened to the GOP.
Jerry's comments : Blue John / G2A's Green
Truth-- Trump says there is rioting in major cities. Democrats call them "mostly peaceful protests."
Other than Portland and Kenosha... Where are these riots?
And if they occur in only Portland and Kenosha, can they be ignored? You are going a long way around to believe what you want.
Of course they can be ignored. Portland is a LONG WAYS from here and not my problem.
They have Local and State governments to address or not address a local problem.
And if their government reps make the wrong decision they will be removed from office.
And it seems that Kenosha has quieted down after a rough start.
So again, other than to rile up his base... Why is Trump focused on Portland when we have far more people dying due to COVID, hurricanes, normal crime, etc?
Why would he encourage armed militias to go to Portland other than to cause more violence?
Turn your question around. Why are thousands of people looting and burning down black neighborhoods (and others), attacking police, reporters and innocent bystanders just because one happens-to-be-black criminal has a near-fatal run-in with the police?
As for your "sense of proportion," why are we concerned about ONE police shooting of a black man when every day there are dozens of black men shot by other black men?
"And if their government reps make the wrong decision they will be removed from office."
You make the silliest arguments sometimes. When will these idiots/fools/dreamers "be removed from office"? November at the very earliest, two years from November more likely, and you overlook that they got elected in the first place by people who believed that a "D" by your name meant you could solve all these problems just by speaking the magic words. And even if they were, how many businesses and neighborhoods must burn down, and black people die, before these Democrat office-holders take responsibility?
The proper response is "law and order" and not just the words. Trump is the only one seemingly willing to do what is necessary. "Focussing" on Portland is because it is an immediate and easily fixed problem that Democrats do NOT want Trump to fix, while unwilling to do it themselves.
Because police are employees of the government, they are not to harm or kill citizens except when absolutely necessary. They are to protect and serve, not threaten and kill.
You really are starting to sound like a fascism supporter.
"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."
What citizens do to each other is a whole different issue.
Again... You are wanting to have the Federal government invade the States against their will. This SO NOT Conservative.
Conservatives like me believe in States and the roles and responsibilities...
For years you fought the Feds interfering in Local education even though millions of kids were being damaged in Red States.. And now you want the Feds to invade a city.
At least now I understand how fascism is enabled.
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And how do you think GOPers would act if the Feds were digging into the NRA, conservative proetesters, etc?
Or if a DEM President encouraged Counter Protesters to bring guns into the City
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Let us put it this way. If these riots came to your neighborhood, would you want the mayor and governor to use whatever police force was necessary to stop the looting, burning, threats, beatings? And if they did, would you label them "fascists" for doing so? It is this complete inability to distinguish between peaceful protest and violent criminals that continues to amaze, and your total lack of compassion for anybody else is a close second.
As I often explain...
9500 protesters, 450 protesters who can be drawn into looting and 50 anarchists, arsonists, gang members, etc.
And I have no problem at all with my city and state authorities taking aggressive action to quell the unrest and arrest the criminals. Like Gov Wahls did in May and last week.
I do have a huge problem however when a President with authoritarian tendencies tries to force his will upon local communities that do not want federal interference.
I have a major problem with a President who encourages local militias to bring their guns into the hot zone against the will of local authorities.
Remember the definition...
"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."
Any and all God fearing small government conservatives should be horrified with what he is trying to do.
Remember the Horse shoe theory
Apparently the Left and Right both love authoritarian governments when it suits their needs.
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"I do have a huge problem however when a President with authoritarian tendencies tries to force his will upon local communities that do not want federal interference."
Then let me solve your problem for you. Try looking at this without the TDS.
fascists strike again
It seems a lot of factors are at play in Chicago.
And as I keep saying, I am fine with Cities and States asking the Federal government for assistance, and working with the Federal government.
"Chicago violence
Commending Operation Legend, where the FBI has provided federal resources to support law enforcement efforts to address violent crime in nine cities, including Chicago, Trump claimed "in the last month alone, we cut the murder rate in Chicago in half."
Facts First: Trump was roughly accurate about the recent decline, though it's not clear the federal agents are primarily responsible for the monthly decline. Chicago was experiencing the city's deadliest month in over 25 years.
At this time last year, there had been 352 homicides in Chicago for 2019. As of Sunday, there have been 497 homicide victims in Chicago for 2020. The Tribune reports that by the end of July, there were 440 homicides this year, meaning there have been 57 people murdered in August. Compared to 107 homicides in July, that's a decrease of approximately 47%.
Trump credits this decrease to the more than 100 federal agents who arrived in Chicago at the end of July as part of Operation Legend."
And this has an excellent graph regarding the Chicago violence spike. I assume the Feds helped. But it may just be timing.
Please remember that Trump just claimed credit for calming the protests in Kenosha when it was the Gov and Mayor who did that.
And he also claimed it in MN when it was the Governor who did that...
Do you see a trend?
"And he also claimed it in MN when it was the Governor who did that..."
Prove it. Just calling a curfew isn't enough.
He did not just call curfew.
The mayor requested and the governor sent in the State Police and National guard.
Oh, so what is new here, and could have been done LONG before, is the greater police presence that the President has been pushing for and even offering to provide? Why is it "fascism" if the President does it, and not if the Governor does? And why are these fascists arresting the so-called "anti-fascists" who are using all the fascist tactics? 'Tis a puzzlement.
Let's break it down...
"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."
Who checks the boxes?
Far Right: Trump definitely plays to those people
Authoritarian: Trump repeatedly says that HE has the power to make things happen that are usually the purview of Cities, States, Legislatures. (Trump 172 EO's in 3.5 years vs Obama's 276 in 8 years) Sending Federal personnel into states against their will.
Ultranationalism: Trump is definitely this... (ie America First, American Exceptionalism, etc)
Dictatorial: Trump continually praises the world's Dictators and attacks the Free Press. Threatening to send the military in to break up protests.
Forcible suppression of opposition: Trump continually goes after the Media, Liberal Protesters, etc while encouraging Conservative Protesters, Right Supremacist groups, QAnon nuts, etc)
"local militias"
Can we please not use this term? Militia are organized--well-regulated, as it were--and serve a specific constitutional function.
Moose
As for ramping up police quicker? Really?
Mon May 25: George Floyd Killed
Tues May 26: Mpls protests begin
Wed May 27: Some looting and fires
Thur May 28: State of Emergency declared by Mayor and National deployed wit some confusion. Major riots and fires.
Fri May 29: Officer charged. Deployment complete and riots slowed significantly.
Sat May 30: Protests continue. Freeways shutdown. Riots crushed
Sat May 31: Clean up begins
MinnPost Seven Days
Moose,
This seems related to your comment.
It is ironic the Trump seems to support these "anti-government" groups... Since he is obsessed with enforcing his "FEDERAL Govt" will on everyone.
I watched a Hitler documentary made in 1976 on Amazon Prime. The description of Hitler sounded exactly like Trump. A lot of recent Hitler books are centered on the question, why did he get so much support. Future generations of historians will ask the same question about Trump.
—Hiram
I am pretty sure Hitler and Trump have very different goals, but they both both have that "Cult Leader" thing going on...
I am more fascinated by cult followers...
Why would people check their rational thought and morals at the door to follow these people?
Because he blames the "right" people for the ills of the country. i.e. the same people his cult followers are afraid of.
Moose
Lot's of politicians and citizens do that... There has to be more to it than that.
He has tapped into the same type of thinking that got Germany in trouble. The citizens were ready to find a scapegoat for what was ailing them.
Moose
Hitler and trump both arched for economic self sufficiency. For Hiltler that meant conquering neighboring countries. For Trump it means either entering into one sided trade deal, or blocking trade altogether. The goal are the same.
—Hiram
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