Monday, May 18, 2020

Who is THEY?

That is manipulating the COVID data and analysis?

I mean these folks have their man in charge of the CDC and the US Dept of Health.  And the people he chose are running those organizations...  And yet repeatedly I hear people saying that there is some big conspiracy with the numbers.

At what point will they trust the numbers that the Trump Administration is publishing?

One gentlemen just inferred on FB that "they" were keeping the number of tests down so that "they" could claim COVID is more dangerous than it is.

Now if it was a Democratic President and Senate, I may understand.  Or if this was Trump's first year in office...  But Trump has been in office for over 3 years...  He owns the issue, the data, the consequences, etc. It is the DEMs who should be distrusting the numbers... :-)

And who is is questioning the importance of more testing other than Trump himself.

And he is praising a test that his FDA is questioning.

And this hilarious one... Navarro Blames Trump.

This all started when I said I was really interested in getting a reliable antibody test...  And was told that "THEY" were dragging their feet.  :-)  I wonder if "THEY" is related to "NOT ME". :-)

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

For you logic fans, it's a syllogism.

All people I don't agree with are biased.

Biased people never tell the truth.

The truth is never told by people I don't agree with.

I believe that is logically, a sound argument. That means it's conclusion is true, doesn't it?

--Hiram

Anonymous said...

We have redefined truth as credibility. If we don't believe what people say, then what they say can't be true. Maybe this goes back to the OJ trial, where the jury was allowed to conclude that Furhrman was lying because he was a liar.

Just yesterday, I was involved in a discussion where someone was saying a model was wrong because it was put together by two women over a weekend. Well, the model may or may not have been wrong, but I am pretty sure the reason it was wrong, or even right for that matter, wasn't that it was put together by a two women over a weekend.

I see this kind of reasoning all the time. Climate change is a hoax because Al Gore takes private planes. I literally don't understand how people are capable of thinking that way.

--Hiram

John said...

Syllogism

"a deductive scheme of a formal argument consisting of a major and a minor premise and a conclusion (as in "every virtue is laudable; kindness is a virtue; therefore kindness is laudable")"

"an instance of a form of reasoning in which a conclusion is drawn (whether validly or not) from two given or assumed propositions (premises), each of which shares a term with the conclusion, and shares a common or middle term not present in the conclusion (e.g., all dogs are animals; all animals have four legs; therefore all dogs have four legs )."

John said...

Agreed... Incorrect data and incorrect assumptions equal and incorrect result.


I also think it is this tribal disaster we have going on. Both sides throw rocks each other daily so it is really hard to make peace.

Maybe a bit like the Israel Palestinian conflict.

G2A Conflict and Collusion
G2A Break the Cycle
G2A Conflict with Heart

Anonymous said...

Both sides throw rocks each other daily so it is really hard to make peace.

Obviously, both siderism is a problem for me. It assumes the parties are mirror images of each other which they are not. It invites projection. Do I reject positions simply because Trump supports them? I don't think so, but please call me out if I do. In general, Republicans are a much more authority based party than Democrats. Republicans often seem baffled that Democrats don't find arguments from authority anywhere near as compelling as Republicans do.

Disagreeing with Trump isn't as easy as one might think, because he uses such cloudy language, and also because he has a tendency to take multiple sides on the same issue. Often the problem I have with Republicans generally is that we agree on the same goals, they just don't want to do anything that would help to reach them. Health care, for example. Both sides do agree that we should have universal and affordable health care. Republicans just don't have a plan for getting closer to that goal.

--Hiram

John said...

My comments are about the tribe members, not the talking heads...

And overall people are people...